Alpha does not vary with time - new study's stringent limits

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The discussion revolves around the fine structure constant, alpha, and its constancy over time as reported by recent astronomical studies. Participants explore the implications of these findings, particularly in relation to the age of the universe and the fundamental constants in physics.

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  • Some participants highlight the significance of the findings that alpha is constant to within ~2 parts per 100 million over the past ~2 billion years and ~0.6 parts per million over ~10 billion years.
  • One participant expresses admiration for the evidence presented, describing it as "rock solid."
  • A participant questions how the age of the universe relates to the fine structure constant, suggesting a potential link that is not clearly established.
  • Another participant responds that there is no direct relationship between alpha and the age of the universe, emphasizing that the research focuses on the variation of alpha over time rather than its relationship to cosmic age.

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Participants generally agree on the constancy of alpha as reported by the studies, but there is disagreement regarding the relationship between alpha and the age of the universe, with no consensus reached on this point.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the interpretation of astronomical data and the implications of the findings, which remain unresolved. The relationship between fundamental constants and cosmic time is not clearly defined.

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http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2004/pr-05-04.html reports the work of a team of astronomers using the VLT in Chile.

"To explain the Universe and to represent it mathematically, scientists rely on so-called fundamental constants or fixed numbers. The fundamental laws of physics, as we presently understand them, depend on about 25 such constants. Well-known examples are the gravitational constant, which defines the strength of the force acting between two bodies, such as the Earth and the Moon, and the speed of light.

One of these constants is the so-called "fine structure constant", alpha = 1/137.03599958, a combination of electrical charge of the electron, the Planck constant and the speed of light. The fine structure constant describes how electromagnetic forces hold atoms together and the way light interacts with atoms.[/color]"

In summary, results from the ancient Oklo natural reactor show alpha is constant to within ~2 parts per 100 million over the past ~2 billion years; the VLT results ~0.6 parts per million over ~10 billion years.
 
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most impressive, rock solid evidence :smile:
 
Nereid said:
http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2004/pr-05-04.html reports the work of a team of astronomers using the VLT in Chile.

"To explain the Universe and to represent it mathematically, scientists rely on so-called fundamental constants or fixed numbers. The fundamental laws of physics, as we presently understand them, depend on about 25 such constants. Well-known examples are the gravitational constant, which defines the strength of the force acting between two bodies, such as the Earth and the Moon, and the speed of light.

One of these constants is the so-called "fine structure constant", alpha = 1/137.03599958, a combination of electrical charge of the electron, the Planck constant and the speed of light. The fine structure constant describes how electromagnetic forces hold atoms together and the way light interacts with atoms.[/color]"

In summary, results from the ancient Oklo natural reactor show alpha is constant to within ~2 parts per 100 million over the past ~2 billion years; the VLT results ~0.6 parts per million over ~10 billion years.


Hello Ms. Nereid,

Do you have any idea how to relate the age of the universe to the fine structure constant?

Kind regards,

StarThrower
 
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StarThrower said:
Hello Ms. Nereid,

Do you have any idea how to relate the age of the universe to the fine structure constant?

Kind regards,

StarThrower
Hi StarThrower,

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking ... AFAIK, there is no direct relationship between alpha and the age of the universe.

The question which the research I cited sought to address is the extent to which alpha has varied, over billions of years of time. Unlike the Oklo work, the research addressed this question by analysis of the light from very distant objects (being distant, we see - now - the objects as they were billions of years ago).

Nereid
 

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