Can Photon Accelerate in Vacuum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether a photon can accelerate in a vacuum, exploring concepts related to the nature of light, acceleration, and gravitational effects on photons. It includes theoretical considerations, mathematical expressions, and implications of different physical laws.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the speed of a photon is constant in a vacuum, implying it cannot accelerate or decelerate.
  • Others propose that while the magnitude of a photon's velocity is constant, its direction can change, suggesting a form of "acceleration" that is perpendicular to its velocity vector.
  • A participant introduces the idea of linear acceleration of a photon, discussing gravitational attraction between photons and referencing Newtonian gravitational force laws and relativistic equations.
  • Another participant mentions that changes in wavelength, such as red and blue shifts, can be interpreted as a form of acceleration.
  • There is a question raised about the relationship between kinetic energy and the dependence on wavelength or frequency, contrasting classical and quantum perspectives.
  • A technical discussion on the definition of force in relation to momentum for photons is presented, including a differentiation of momentum and its implications for force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether photons can be considered to accelerate in a vacuum. There is no consensus, as some focus on the constancy of speed while others explore the implications of gravitational effects and changes in direction or wavelength.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the applicability of classical mechanics to photons, the interpretation of gravitational effects, and the definitions of momentum and force in relativistic contexts.

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It cannot because the speed of photon is a constant in vacuum. So it also cannot deccelerate in vacuum.
 
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Thank you Capt. Obvious? :smile:

Although it is only the magnitude of the velocity that is constant. Since it is possible to change the direction of the photon, you could say that it can be "accelerated", but the acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the velocity vector.
 
but the acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the velocity vector.

In circular motion.
 
Integral said:
In circular motion.
Or whenever the acceleration changes only the direction of the velocity vector and not its magnitude.
 
Linear Acceleration Of A Photon

There seems to be some question as to whether or not a photon can be linearly accelerated.

For a photon:

E = Pc

P = mc

E = mc^2 = hf

m = hf/c^2

Consider the gravitational attraction of two photons separated by a distance R.

F = G m1 m2/R^2

Hence

m1 a = G m1 m2/R^2

Hence

a = G m2/R^2

Hence

a = G hf/c^2R^2

Thus, if there can be action at a distance between two photons, and the Newtonian gravitational force law is correct, and the relativistic equation for energy is correct, and the quantum mechanical relation for photon energy is correct, then a photon can be linearly accelerated.

And if the Newtonian Gravitational Force Law is incorrect, but photons can experience real gravity, a photon will accelerate as it heads towards a sun, because it is being pulled. Indeed, if a photon can experience any force, then it can be accelerated.
 
This sort of "acceleration" is observed as red and blue shifted light. Since the speed of light can vary its wavelength must change.
 
Is this the point where the dependent of kinetic energy as a function of velocity

[tex]K.E. = \frac {1}{2}mv^2[/tex]

breaks away to depend on wavelength or frequency?

[tex]Energy = h \nu[/tex]
 
Hurkyl,

Thanks you very much.
 
Recall that force is defined as F := dp / dτ, not F := m a. Since |p| = hf/c for a photon, we can differentiate p2 to get:

2 p . dp / dτ = (h/c) df / dτ
or, in other words,

p.F = (h/2c) df / dτ


P.S. I'm using m for rest mass, F and p are 4-vectors, and . for the (Minowski) dot product.

P.P.S. Argh, you replied before I could delete it! I wanted to look up a detail or two. :frown: In particular, I think |p| = hf/c might only be valid for 3-momentum, not 4-momentum. It's been a while since I've done any of this in any detail! Maybe I should've wussed out and done it with 3-vectors!
 
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Hurkyl

Thanks again.
 

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