How much the USA government spends on war?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the financial expenditures of the USA government on military and war, exploring the implications of these expenditures on international relations, military presence in Europe, and the dynamics within NATO and the EU. The conversation touches on various perspectives regarding military spending, reliance on US military support, and the potential for European military independence.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the USA spends as much on its military as the rest of the world combined.
  • There are questions regarding how other countries benefit from supplying the USA with military resources and the implications of US military presence on their own defense spending.
  • Some argue that the reliance on US military support has led European countries to reduce their own military capabilities since WWII.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential negative consequences of a strong US military presence in Europe, suggesting that a decrease could lead to a stronger NATO and UN.
  • Others express that there is a sentiment in Europe favoring the dissolution of NATO, with the EU pursuing the establishment of its own military force.
  • Some participants believe that creating an EU army could undermine NATO's effectiveness and suggest that a balance of power within NATO would be more beneficial for international relations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on military spending and the role of the US in global defense. There is no consensus on whether the current military expenditures are justified or beneficial, and opinions diverge on the future of NATO and the EU's military ambitions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about military spending and international relations, with some claims depending on specific interpretations of military reliance and defense strategies. The implications of reduced military presence and the establishment of an EU army remain unresolved.

Do you know how much money the USA government spends on war?

  • Twice as much as the next biggest military spender.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Three times as much as the next biggest military spender.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Four times as much as the next biggest military spender.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • More than six times as much as the next biggest military spender.

    Votes: 11 84.6%

  • Total voters
    13
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We also spend as much on our military as all of the rest of the world combined :) wooh!
 
And what does your country as well as France, Germany, Japan, ad-nausea do with the profits generated from selling us the ingredients or supplying the bases?
 
And what does your country as well as France, Germany, Japan, ad-nausea do with the profits generated from selling us the ingredients or supplying the bases?

Not to mention avoiding spending more on national defense because of massive US military presence (this mainly applies to France and, especially, Germany). I believe we do spend too much on our military, but the figures cannot be taken at face value. The UN, NATO, and many European governments have become overly reliant on US troops and military funding.
 
RageSk8 said:
Not to mention avoiding spending more on national defense because of massive US military presence (this mainly applies to France and, especially, Germany). ... The UN, NATO, and many European governments have become overly reliant on US troops and military funding.
This really is the crux of the issue. Our allies know that we will defend them if they require defending and as a result have massively reduced the sizes of their militaries since WWII.
 
This really is the crux of the issue. Our allies know that we will defend them if they require defending and as a result have massively reduced the sizes of their militaries since WWII.

This hurts our allies, us, and the international community. If the US would decrease its military presence in Europe and Europe would build its respective armed forces than both the UN and NATO would be stronger because of it. People complain about the US dominance of NATO - fine, complain, but if you want NATO to be stronger and more multilateral countries like France and Germany need to support it with more money and troops. The US is currently in a very bad situation in the UN - we still constitute most of its power but no longer have same type of sway (this is do to ideological fallout of course, nothing structural).
 
Actually most in Europe want NATO gone. That's why the EU is working toward creating its own army.
 
Actually most in Europe want NATO gone. That's why the EU is working toward creating its own army.

I actually think this is a bad idea. The EU wants to, in part, counter American dominance. It would be better if Europe balanced American power in NATO. Not only would this lead to a much stronger force than the current NATO (and the hypothetical EU army for that matter), but it would promote better international relations. Besides, everyone knows that France and Germany are to the EU as the US is to NATO (and used to be to the UN). Too much politics in Europe are reactionary against the US.
 

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