Tonsils are just once upon a time gills

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evolutionary origins and functions of tonsils, appendix, and other anatomical structures such as the uvula and eustachian tubes. Participants explore the idea that tonsils may be remnants of gills from ancestral aquatic species, as well as the roles of other body parts that are considered vestigial or have unclear functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that tonsils are evolutionary remnants of gills, suggesting a link between land-dwelling species and aquatic ancestors.
  • Others express skepticism about the tonsils being related to gills, noting that they are structurally and functionally lymph nodes.
  • There is speculation that the appendix may be a vestige of a larger digestive structure necessary for early human diets.
  • Participants discuss the uvula's role in swallowing and its relationship to the epiglottis, with some doubting its significance based on surgical outcomes.
  • One participant mentions embryological evidence of gill slits in human development, questioning any connection to tonsils.
  • Discussion includes the function of eustachian tubes and their relevance to middle ear infections in children.
  • There are repeated inquiries about the relationship between tonsils and gill slits during early development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the evolutionary significance of tonsils and other anatomical features, with no consensus reached on their origins or functions. Some points are contested, particularly regarding the relationship between tonsils and gills.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various anatomical and embryological concepts, but the discussion remains speculative with unresolved connections and assumptions about the evolutionary history of these structures.

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I just came upon a story on how our tonsils are just once upon a time gills that came about during evolution. It said that at one time, every land dwelling species came from the water, and that we were one of these species. Have you heard this story?(about the tonsils, not about coming from the sea) Have you heard any other type of phenomena about useless body parts, such as the appendix?

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I don't remember the source, but someone speculated that the appendix was the vestige of some larger structure that was needed to digest items in the diet of early humans/homonids.

The uvula, or whatever you call the finger that hangs down at the back of your mouth? Supposedly it triggers nerves to close off the breathing tubes so that the food that is about to drop out of the mouth won't head the wrong way.
 
Not sure about the tonsils, after all, they are functionally and structurally lymph nodes . Don't know how lymphatic tissue can be a remnant of fish gills, which I believe aid in the fish's respiration (through countercurrent exchange?).


As for the uvula initiating the cascade that closes the epiglottis over the trachea, I doubt it, since that part of the soft palate (uvula and part of the soft palate) , is resected during sleep apnea surgery, ( a procedure called uvulopalatopharyngeoplasty (UPPP)) and these patients are not aspirating food into their trachea left and right. it does play a role in closing off the nasal cavity when swallowing (so you don't get food, fluids in the back of your nose) so a skillled surgeon who can cut away the right amount of tissue and leaves behind enough to continue that function is a must!
 
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Not sure about tonsils, but the appendix is homologous to the cecum in other animals. The cecum aids in digestion of fibrous plants. It's pretty large in rodents and horses, for example, that eat a lot of plant material.
 
My history teacher likes to talk a lot. The tonsil deal was one of his "Think about it" statements in class. I guess that kinda proves him wrong.

Paden Roder
 
Look up text on embryology. Human babies have gill slits, which are closed prior to birth. Not sure if the tonsils are related to these slits?

Nautica
 
nautica said:
Look up text on embryology. Human babies have gill slits, which are closed prior to birth. Not sure if the tonsils are related to these slits?

Nautica

I think you are talking about the pharyngeal slits and they become the eustachian tubes.
 
so what's the story on these?

Paden Roder
 
eustachian tubes are what give the ear nose throat surgeons a lot of business...kidding aside, they are the tubes that drain the middle ear into the throat. Children are born with small, narrow eustachian tubes, so when they get a viral infection, fluid tends to build up and get infected since their eustachian tubes drain inefficiently compared to adults. ...that's why kids have more middle ear infections. Sometimes, it becomes so problamatic, "tubes" have to be placed so they can drain the fluid accumulation in their middle ear. Adults can also develop eustachian tube dysfunction as these passages narrow with debris from long standing infections, allergies etc. Thus, some adults have to have myringotomy tubes placed as well.
 
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Yes, But I was not sure if there were in relation to the tonsils early in developement, that would be similar to that of gills/gill slits.

Nautica
 
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Thanks adreniline. All very good information.
Paden Roder
 
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nautica said:
Yes, But I was not sure if there were in relation to the tonsils early in developement, that would be similar to that of gills/gill slits.

Nautica

Negative.

Aychamo
 

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