Is 2^x = x the Key to Infinite Exponential Solutions?

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The discussion centers around the equation 2^x = x and its implications for finding solutions, particularly in the context of infinite exponential forms and potential solutions. Participants explore symbolic solutions, the nature of the functions involved, and the possibility of real versus imaginary solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if 2^x = x, then it leads to an infinite series of forms like 2^(2^x) = x, proposing a recursive definition.
  • Another participant discusses the derivatives of the functions, indicating that 2^x is monotone increasing while x is constant, suggesting that real solutions may not exist.
  • A different viewpoint questions the manipulation of the equation, stating that 2^(2^x) does not equal x but rather equals 2^x, indicating confusion about the original question.
  • One participant proposes a potential solution involving the Lambert W function, suggesting a specific expression for x.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the existence of real solutions, with some asserting that no real solutions exist while others explore the implications of the equation further. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the functions involved, particularly regarding the treatment of real versus imaginary solutions and the recursive definitions proposed. The discussion also reflects uncertainty in the manipulation of the original equation.

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If 2^x = x

then

2^(2^x) = x

also!

2^2^(2^x) = x

2^2^2^(2^x) = x

2^2^2^2^2^2^2^ ...^(2^x)_n = x


As russ wrote to Dr. Math
On 04/03/2004 at 05:43:34 (Eastern Time),
>[Question]
>The equation 2^x = x .
>
>2^x = x
>
>then
>
>2^(2^x) = x
>
>2^2^(2^x) = x
>
>2^2^2^(2^x) = x
>
>2^2^2^2^2^2^2^2^ ... 2^(2^x)_n
>
>How can this equation be solved symbolically?
>
>
>[Difficulty]
>
>
>[Thoughts]
>2^x = x
>
>2 = x^[1/x]
>
>x^[1/x]- 1 - 1 = [2^x]/x ...

Dear Russ,
What is the scope of your investigation? Are you
looking for
answers or methodology? Are you interested in complex
solutions or
only real numbers?
Your thoughts about an infinite series, raising x
to the power x to
the power x are astute, and could be one way to look
for a solution.
There are other methods as well, but none that
involves only a finite
number of calculations. The only solutions to this
kind of equation
are as a limit to an infinite process.
You may be interested in this chapter from our
archives:
http://www.mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/53229.html



 
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Hmm.
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} 2^x = \ln 2 2^x[/tex]
which is monotone increasing and
[tex]\frac{d}{dx} x = 1[/tex]
which is constant, so if
[tex]2^x > x[/tex]
where
[tex]\ln 2 \times 2^x = 1 \rightarrow x= -\log_2 ({\ln 2}) \approx 0.5[/tex]
then the only solutions are imaginary.
So I don't think there are any real solutions.
 
Huh?

If 2^x=x, then

2^(2^x) does not equal x, it equals 2^x; you have to do the same thing to both sides, right? I guess I don't understand your question then. It definitely does not have real solutions, because of the reason above.
 
If 2^x=x, then

2^(2^x) does not equal x, it equals 2^x;

Sure, 2^(2^x) equals 2^x... but what does 2^x equal?
 
Ah i see, defined recursively
 
x=-LambertW(-log2)/log2, i think...
 

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