Superconductors can allow a current to flow indefinately

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The discussion explores the potential use of superconductors, particularly in the context of room temperature superconductors, for data storage in computing systems. Participants consider the feasibility of using superconducting loops to store information indefinitely and the implications for speed and density compared to current technologies.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that superconductors could allow for indefinite current flow, proposing their use as a hybrid RAM for computers.
  • Another participant envisions superconducting loops storing bits of information, with current direction representing binary states.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of SQUIDS, noting that these loops can exhibit superposition, allowing for states that are both 0 and 1 simultaneously.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of using microwaves to manipulate these states for high-density information storage, questioning whether such techniques can be effectively scaled.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the viability of using superconducting loops for qubits in quantum computing, suggesting alternative mediums may be more suitable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and concerns regarding the application of superconductors for data storage, with no consensus reached on the practicality or effectiveness of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the measurement processes affecting current flow in tiny loops, the scalability of microwave techniques for data manipulation, and the overall feasibility of superconducting loops as a medium for qubits.

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Superconductors can allow a current to flow indefinately. Assuming that someday room temperature superconductors are avilable, would it be possible to use them as some sort of RAM hybrid for a computer? Could information be stored indefinately, almost like using a harddrive, but much faster access time?
 
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Are you picturing a bunch of little superconducting loops, each of which stores a bit of information? So that when you turn off the computer, the currents continue indefinitely, one clock direction representing 0, the opposite clock direction representing 1?

I wonder if the process of measuring the direction of current would destroy the current if the loop is really tiny--tiny enough to make for compact storage of data on a par with today's technology for data storage.
 
Janitor said:
Are you picturing a bunch of little superconducting loops, each of which stores a bit of information? So that when you turn off the computer, the currents continue indefinitely, one clock direction representing 0, the opposite clock direction representing 1?

I wonder if the process of measuring the direction of current would destroy the current if the loop is really tiny--tiny enough to make for compact storage of data on a par with today's technology for data storage.

Actually, in SQUIDS experiment, those tiny loops can contain current flowing in BOTH directions simultaneously. That's the essence of the QM superposition. So your "qubits" can be 0, 1, and a mixture of both - similar to a Schrödinger cat-type states. One can detect this via the energy difference between the two superposition states.

http://physicsweb.org/article/news/4/7/2/1

Zz.
 
ZapperZ, I read the page you linked. It says, "Next they illuminate the SQUID with microwaves which excite the system to a clockwise state with higher energy," in order to change the state.

I picture microwaves as being mighty broad brushes to paint bits with--on the order of centimeters in size. So in practice, can this technique ever be practical for a high-density information storage device?
 
Janitor said:
ZapperZ, I read the page you linked. It says, "Next they illuminate the SQUID with microwaves which excite the system to a clockwise state with higher energy," in order to change the state.

I picture microwaves as being mighty broad brushes to paint bits with--on the order of centimeters in size. So in practice, can this technique ever be practical for a high-density information storage device?

Probabily not. I think the qubits in quantum computing will probably be created in another type of medium, rather than loops of circulating supercurrents such as this.

Zz.
 

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