Light Propagation in Quantum Field Theory

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter hellfire
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Light Propagation
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propagation of light in the context of quantum field theory (QFT) and its relationship to special relativity. Participants explore whether the electromagnetic field can be considered a medium for light propagation and how this relates to concepts like the Casimir effect and the speed of light.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in quantum field theory, photons are excitations of the electromagnetic field, suggesting that this field acts as a medium for light propagation.
  • Others argue that while the electromagnetic field can be seen as a medium, it differs from traditional media composed of matter.
  • A participant questions whether the speed of light can be derived from the properties of the electromagnetic field's ground state, particularly in scenarios like the Casimir vacuum.
  • Concerns are raised about how modifications to the ground state of the electromagnetic field might affect the propagation speed of light and its compatibility with special relativity.
  • One participant challenges the idea that resonance conditions in a cavity would alter the propagation of disturbances in the field.
  • A reference is provided that discusses the speed of light in different contexts, prompting questions about the validity of the Minkowski metric in altered conditions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that special relativity and quantum mechanics do not necessitate the existence of an ether, suggesting that the term may not have a clear application in modern physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the electromagnetic field can be considered a medium for light propagation and how this relates to the speed of light in various contexts. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about the nature of the electromagnetic field, the implications of the Casimir effect, and the applicability of special relativity in modified conditions. These aspects remain open for further exploration.

hellfire
Science Advisor
Messages
1,048
Reaction score
1
In special relativity it is often claimed that light does not need a medium to propagate.

In quantum field theory, particles (and thus also photons) are excitations of fields. The the position is not a dinamical variable as such anymore, but just a label for each of the field excitations in space.

Does then QTF tell us that light, as quanta of EM waves, propagates indeed over a medium (the electromagnetic field permeating the whole space)?

Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Photons are indeed the quanta of the electromagnetic field, and, in that sense, the electromagnetic field is the "medium" through which electromagnetic radiation travels. It is not a medium composed of matter or particles, however, which is the usual meaning of the term "medium."

- Warren
 
I see, so we can say that this is a kind of medium. Then, in analogy to waves propagating on a medium composed of matter, does this mean that one could determine or derive c depending on the properties of this medium, i.e. the ground state of the EM field? For example, how does light propagate in a Casimir vacuum? If different as in a usual vacuum, how does this fit with special relativity?

Regards.
 
You can determine c from two properties of the vacuum: the permeability and permittivity. I'm not sure what you mean by "Casimir vacuum."

- Warren
 
May be this is just a trivial point: if one considers that light is propagating through a medium whose properties are determined by the ground state of the EM field, one should be able to derive a relation between this energetic state and c (or may be not?). Thus, if one modifies the ground state (as done in the Casimir experiment, where some excitation modes are suppressed due to geometric conditions), then the propagation speed should be different (higher, I suppose). I’ve never seen such a relation or derivation, and, if what I am writing is correct, I am not sure how it fits in SR.
 
I don't see how creating a resonance condition (a cavity in which some modes of the fields fit, and some do not) will result in a change in the progation of disturbances in the field.

- Warren
 
After some search I have found this reference:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/FTL.html

Take a look to point 12, where this effect is mentioned. This is just a short remark, but a couple of questions arise for me if this is correct. For example, if photons travel faster in a Casimir vacuum, does this mean that the Minkowski metric is not longer valid inside the plates?

Regards.
 
On thing to keep in mind: Special Relativity does not make a specific statement about an ether. Ditto for Quantum Mechanics. In other words, there is really nothing to reconcile as to the ether being a medium between these theories.

Is the ether simply another word for space? Perhaps, but the semantics of that do not affect the validity of SR or QM. Every theory has a range of applicability. A good theory need not explain everything, as long as it describes something usefully.
 

Similar threads

Replies
18
Views
3K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
2K