Diraction of Magnetic Field Due to an Infinitely Large Current

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of the magnetic field generated by an infinitely large current-carrying plate, specifically focusing on the direction of the magnetic field in relation to the current's orientation in the xy-plane. Participants explore the implications of symmetry and the Biot-Savart law in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a proof from Griffiths regarding the magnetic field direction due to a steady current in the x-direction, suggesting that the field should be in the y-direction based on symmetry arguments.
  • Another participant questions why the magnetic field in the z-direction cannot depend on the current direction in the xy-plane, referencing the Biot-Savart law.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for clarity on the plane of the current and suggests that if the current is in the xy-plane, the symmetry implies that the z-direction field would remain unchanged if the current direction is reversed.
  • There is a discussion about the analogy with a uniform charge distribution, noting that the electric field must also respect the same symmetries, which could be applied to the magnetic field scenario.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of changing the current direction and its effect on the magnetic field along the z-axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between current direction and magnetic field orientation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the symmetry arguments involved.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the implications of symmetry in this scenario, and assumptions about the plane of the current and its effects on the magnetic field direction are not fully clarified.

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well i saw a proof in griffith about the diraction of magnetic field due to an infinitely large steady current carrying plate in x direction .well i could argue on the normal basis of an current element being at equal distances and component cancellingout...that the field has to be in y direction.
but then he gave a beautiful proof arguing on the line that if there were field in z direction then by biot savrt law reversing current would reverse it's direction
upto this everything was ok
then he writes but the field in z direction can't possibly depend on current direction in xy plane
why is this?
 
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pardesi said:
well i saw a proof in griffith about the diraction of magnetic field due to an infinitely large steady current carrying plate in x direction .well i could argue on the normal basis of an current element being at equal distances and component cancellingout...that the field has to be in y direction.
but then he gave a beautiful proof arguing on the line that if there were field in z direction then by biot savrt law reversing current would reverse it's direction
upto this everything was ok
then he writes but the field in z direction can't possibly depend on current direction in xy plane
why is this?

You missed an important description to the problem. Since you have a plane, you did not tell us in which plane it is. All you did was gave the direction of the current.

From reading the rest of your post, I am guessing that this plane is in the xy-plane, with the current in the x-direction as stated. If this is true, then yes, by symmetry argument, the z-direction would not change if you change the direction of the current.

Think of what happens when, instead, you have the same plane, but now you have a uniform charge. The charge distribution has a translational symmetry in the xy plane, and it has reflection symmetry along a plane perpendicular to it. The field must have the same symmetry, and that's why you get an E-field along the z-direction.

Apply that to your problem. While the plane still has translational symmetry, an inversion of the current (or doing a reflection along the same plane) will now change the direction of the current. The field generated must also have the same symmetry.

Zz.
 
sorry i didn't metion that the current was in xy plane but can u explain why the change in current direction doesn't affetc the magnetic fiels along z axis
 
I thought I just did?!

Zz.
 
well if i am right u have written tht effectively if we change the direction of current by reflection then the field direction should also change then what...
 

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