What Makes Black Holes the Ultimate Mystery of Absolute Zero?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of black holes (BH), exploring their characteristics, formation, and the concept of absolute zero in relation to them. Participants examine theoretical implications, paradoxes, and the role of time in understanding black holes.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that black holes are objects that contain nothing, leading to the assertion that they represent absolute zero.
  • There are objections to the conventional model of black holes, questioning why mass exhibits different characteristics based on volume and why black holes must form from existing stars.
  • One participant suggests that the paradox of gravity and magnetic fields existing without mass indicates that these forces are part of a larger framework involving time.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to define time based on its manifestations in phenomena before establishing a formal definition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of black holes, their formation, and the relationship between mass, gravity, and time. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the characteristics of black holes, particularly regarding the absence of mass and the implications of time. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the definitions and roles of various concepts.

Michael F. Dmitriyev
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It is accepted to consider BH as an object which on a reason of the achievement of its mass before a certain critical value (?) be subjected to collapse. This situation when in small volume does concentrated enormous mass with unbelievably enormous density of the material. Having the most strong gravity and magnetic field, BH attracts all objects falling into sphere of its influence. Nothing can not overcome BH's a gravity field including the Light . As a result, for observer this object looks black.
I have much objections against such a model.
The main is that it does not work.
Is not seen the reasons why the some mass manifests different characteristics depending on volume, which it occupies. If BH was a star earlier and suddenly became the size as orange for instance, then we can not observe it. If we observe it then it has a size of the star at least. If the object after collapse has a size of star, then is not understandable than it has been before one. There was galaxy? Why BH must be formed from something? Why it can not be such age as the universe and exist before the stars was formed? It is possible to ask more and more questions, but I think it is enough.
So.
What is Black Hole?
This is an object which contains NOTHING.
No fluctuations can not exist in BH.
Consequently no material containing mass (this fluctuations also), no EM fluctuations including the light. Even the background cosmic radiation is absent .
This object has a no real size. Time is in zero.

Black Hole is an ABSOLUTE ZERO.

"Obvious paradox" is present in this case - gravity and magnetic field under full absence of the mass.
This means that mass does contains in itself a certain substance which is general with one in BH. But BH does contains nothing. Absolutely zero importances of all known and unknown power and field only.
Consequently a zero importance is perceived by us as a most is possible, but that we can measure at least aproximately, mass of the star for instance, is perceived as a vastly smaller.
At the next time it happens to note - a people prefer to stand upon a head.
What substance has a such characteristic?
The TIME only.
 
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Originally posted by Michael F. Dmitriyev
It is accepted to consider BH as an object which on a reason of the achievement of its mass before a certain critical value (?) be subjected to collapse. This situation when in small volume does concentrated enormous mass with unbelievably enormous density of the material. Having the most strong gravity and magnetic field, BH attracts all objects falling into sphere of its influence. Nothing can not overcome BH's a gravity field including the Light . As a result, for observer this object looks black.
I have much objections against such a model.
The main is that it does not work.
Is not seen the reasons why the some mass manifests different characteristics depending on volume, which it occupies. If BH was a star earlier and suddenly became the size as orange for instance, then we can not observe it. If we observe it then it has a size of the star at least. If the object after collapse has a size of star, then is not understandable than it has been before one. There was galaxy? Why BH must be formed from something? Why it can not be such age as the universe and exist before the stars was formed? It is possible to ask more and more questions, but I think it is enough.
So.
What is Black Hole?
This is an object which contains NOTHING.
No fluctuations can not exist in BH.
Consequently no material containing mass (this fluctuations also), no EM fluctuations including the light. Even the background cosmic radiation is absent .
This object has a no real size. Time is in zero.

Black Hole is an ABSOLUTE ZERO.

"Obvious paradox" is present in this case - gravity and magnetic field under full absence of the mass.
This means that mass does contains in itself a certain substance which is general with one in BH. But BH does contains nothing. Absolutely zero importances of all known and unknown power and field only.
Consequently a zero importance is perceived by us as a most is possible, but that we can measure at least aproximately, mass of the star for instance, is perceived as a vastly smaller.
At the next time it happens to note - a people prefer to stand upon a head.
What substance has a such characteristic?
The TIME only.

Greg says: "Obvious paradox" is present in this case - gravity and magnetic field under full absence of the mass. this should be a clue gravity and magnetic field are not part of mass. they are what mass is a part of. mass is made the same way mass is made when it approches 186000 mps
 


Originally posted by greg
Greg says: "Obvious paradox" is present in this case - gravity and magnetic field under full absence of the mass. this should be a clue gravity and magnetic field are not part of mass. they are what mass is a part of. mass is made the same way mass is made when it approches 186000 mps
Not Greg says:
-"Obvious paradox" is present in this case -gravity and magnetic field under full absence of the mass.
It is me. Check out my post attentively.
I have offered the key which allows to explain all forces and phenomenas. This key is Time. The speed of the light you mentionned this manifestation of time also.
 


Originally posted by Michael F. Dmitriyev
Not Greg says:
-"Obvious paradox" is present in this case -gravity and magnetic field under full absence of the mass.
It is me. Check out my post attentively.
I have offered the key which allows to explain all forces and phenomenas. This key is Time. The speed of the light you mentionned this manifestation of time also.

greg says: what is your definition of time?
 


Originally posted by greg
greg says: what is your definition of time?
You hurry the events, Greg.
The definition of something can be made after considering of its manifestations in the existing phenomenas. In other words, for beginning it is necessary to define how it works. One of such topics is here.
"How time does work?" topic will here soon.
 

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