Solving for Vector u in Terms of Vector η

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between proper velocity and ordinary velocity, specifically focusing on expressing vector u in terms of vector η. The context involves concepts from special relativity, including proper velocity and rapidity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore how to express scalar u in terms of scalar η, questioning the implications of vector norms and the definitions of proper velocity. There is also discussion about the relationship between proper distance and proper time.

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Some participants have provided mathematical expressions relating the vectors, while others express confusion about the definitions and implications of proper velocity. The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of proper velocity and the relationship between the vectors, indicating a need for clarity on the underlying concepts. There is also mention of the inertial reference frame and its role in the problem.

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Homework Statement

[tex]\mathbf{\eta} = 1/ \sqrt{1 - u^2/c^2} \mathbf{u}[/tex] represents the proper velocity in terms of the ordinary velocity. Find vector u in terms of vector eta.

Then find the relation between proper velocity and rapidity.

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Scalar u is the magnitude of the vector u, so I cannot just bring the denominator to the other side, right? Do I have to get scalar eta in terms of scalar u?
 
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ehrenfest said:
Do I have to get scalar eta in terms of scalar u?

The other way round. Find scalar u in terms of scalar eta.
 
George Jones said:
The other way round. Find scalar u in terms of scalar eta.

Yes. That is what I meant. Those velocity magnitude's so I am not sure how to do that...
 
Remember that both [itex]\mathbf{u}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbf{\eta}[/itex] are ordinary vectors in R^{3} in which the norm of a vector is given by a scalar product. So compute [itex]\left \langle \mathbf{\eta},\mathbf{\eta}\right\rangle[/itex].
 
dextercioby said:
[itex]\left \langle \mathbf{\eta},\mathbf{\eta}\right\rangle[/itex].

[itex]\left \langle \mathbf{\eta},\mathbf{\eta}\right\rangle = \eta_x^2 + \eta_y^2 + \eta_z^2[/itex]

But we have

[tex]\sqrt{1 - u^2/c^2} \mathbf{\eta} = \mathbf{u}[/tex] so how do you get that scalar u in terms of the scalar eta?

Let me check my understanding of what u and eta are. The usage of these two terms implicitly uses an inertial reference frame S and an object in motion with respect to S. vector u is the displacement measured in S per unit time measured in S and vector eta is the displacement measured in S per unit time measured by a clock attached to our object. All good?
 
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[tex]\left\langle \vec{\eta},\vec{\eta}\right\rangle =\left\langle \vec{u},\vec{u}\right\rangle \frac{1}{1-\frac{u^{2}}{c^{2}}}\Rightarrow \eta ^{2}=\frac{u^{2}}{1-\frac{u^{2}}{c^{2}}}\Rightarrow u^{2}=\frac{\eta ^{2}}{1+\frac{\eta ^{2}}{c^{2}}}[/tex]

[tex]\vec{\eta}=\vec{u}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{u^{2}}{c^{2}}}}\Rightarrow \vec{u}=\vec{\eta}\sqrt{1-\frac{u^{2}\left(\eta \right)}{c^{2}}}=\vec{\eta}\sqrt{1-\frac{1}{c^{2}}\frac{\eta ^{2}}{1+\frac{\eta ^{2}}{c^{2}}}}=\vec{\eta}\frac{c}{\sqrt{c^{2}+\eta ^{2}}}[/tex]
 
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Thanks. But is that paragraph I wrote correct? I am very confused about proper velocity. It is supposedly proper distance divided by proper time. But what is proper distance? Isn't the distance an object moves in a reference frame attached to it always 0?
 
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Let me check my understanding of what u and eta are. The usage of these two terms implicitly uses an inertial reference frame S and an object in motion with respect to S. vector u is the displacement measured in S per unit time measured in S and vector eta is the displacement measured in S per unit time measured by a clock attached to our object. All good?

I think I got it. Also, is the relation between proper velocity and rapidity the following:

tanh theta = eta/ sqrt(c^2 + eta^2)

?
 
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