Solving the Ball's Kinetic Energy and Frictional Work

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a billiard ball subjected to a force, exploring concepts of kinetic energy, friction, and rotational motion. Participants are examining the initial conditions and the effects of friction as the ball transitions from sliding to rolling without slipping.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the initial angular speed, the speed at which the ball rolls without slipping, the initial kinetic energy, and the work done by friction. Questions arise regarding when to apply translational versus rotational kinetic energy formulas, and the implications of missing mass information.

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Some participants have provided insights into analyzing the problem, including the effects of impulse during the collision and the relationship between translational and rotational motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions for rolling without slipping and the relationship between kinetic energy and work done by friction.

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Participants note the absence of mass information and express uncertainty about the application of kinetic energy concepts in this context. There is also mention of external resources that may relate to the problem, though the appropriateness of using them is questioned.

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A billiard ball initially at rest is given a sharp blow by a cue stick. The force is horizontal and is applied at a distance 2R/3 below the centreline of the ball. The initial speed of the ball is v0 and the coefficient of kinetic friction is Mu k. a) what is the initial angular speed w0? B) What is the speed of the ball once it begins to roll without slipping? C) What is the initial kinetic energy of the ball? D) What is the frictional work done as it slides on the table?

a) w = w0 + alpha*t

b) v = v0 + a*t

c) K = 1/2mv^2 or 1/2(Iw^2)?
d)

may you help me with this one pls? I really find this one hard!
 
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I don't know when to use the kinetic or when to use the rotational kinetic and since I don't have the mass of the ball here I guess it will be the rotational kinetic they are asking for, but I don't want to guess in further problems. What logic to use to know which one they are asking for?
 
Here's how I would analyze this one.
(a) First, describe what happens during the collision. The impact force creates an impulse that causes both translation of the center of mass and rotation about the center of mass.

The translational impulse:
FΔt = MV0

Now write a similar relation for rotation about the center of mass and then you'll be able to solve for ω0. (Careful: Direction of ω matters.)

(b) After the initial impulse, friction acts to decrease the translational speed while increasing the rotational speed. When the condition for rolling without slipping is met, there is no further slipping. Rolling without slipping occurs when the bottom of the ball moves with zero speed relative to the ground, which means V = ωR. Set up the equations for ω and V and solve for the time that V = ωR. (You'll need Newton's 2nd law to find the translational and rotational accelerations.)

(c) The KE of the ball is the sum of (1) translational KE of the center of mass and (2) the rotational KE about the center of mass. (This better sound familiar from the other problem you were working.)

(d) What happens to the KE as the ball slips? Consider the final KE (when slipping stops-- see answer for b) and compare it to the initial KE (based on what you found in a).

Have fun!
 
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Doc Al said:
Now you tell me! D'oh! :eek:

(That's cheating!)
:-p This is why I often press Preview Post when composing large messages. That way I can both make sure I don't make any mistakes (but that effort is always in vain) and see if any new replies have been made. :smile:
 

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