How Can You Change the Wavelength of Monochromatic Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods to change the wavelength of monochromatic light, exploring various theoretical and practical approaches, including the effects of different media, non-linear optics, and potential chemical methods. Participants also touch upon the implications of these methods in terms of frequency and energy changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that passing light through a medium with a different index of refraction changes its wavelength while keeping the frequency constant.
  • Others propose that non-linear optical effects in certain media can change both the wavelength and frequency of light, producing harmonics at high intensities.
  • A participant questions the practicality of changing the color of monochromatic light using a filter that does not filter out any wavelengths, receiving a negative response from another participant.
  • Some participants discuss an established method involving an intense light pulse that can shift the frequency of a light beam, although they note that this method is inefficient and requires high power.
  • One participant describes a photon bouncing effect between moving mirrors, suggesting that this could lead to significant energy shifts, potentially into the x-ray or gamma-ray range.
  • Another participant mentions chemical methods that absorb radiation at one frequency and reemit it at another, citing fluorescent lights as an example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of media on wavelength and frequency, with some asserting that frequency remains constant while others challenge this. The discussion includes multiple competing views on the methods to change light wavelength, and no consensus is reached on the practicality or effectiveness of the proposed methods.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the intensity of light or the properties of the medium used. The discussion also highlights unresolved questions about the interactions between light beams and the mechanisms behind frequency shifts.

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First off, I'm new to the board so hello! I hope to be a regular.
Now that that's out of the way:

Is there any way to change the wavelength of monochromatic light (other than the doppler effect)?

Thanks!
 
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Yes, one other way is to pass it through another medium(like glass or something). The frequency of the light will NOT change, but the wavelength will change along with its speed(well, better put, the time it takes for the light to travel a certain distance increases)

You can find the speed of light in any medium by the equation

v=c/n where c is the speed of light (about 3*10^8 m/s), n is the index of refraction of the medium, and v is your new speed

Then, by the equation v=f*[lamb] you can substitute the new velocity in, and the frequency of the light to get:

[lamb]=c/(n*f) Where [lamb] is your new wavelength, c is the speed of light, n is the index of refraction of the material and f is the frequency of the light (which stays constant)
 
You can also change both wavelength and frequency by letting light pass via media in which polarization changes with magnitude of electric field (non-linear crystals, for example). Then you'll get second, third, etc. harmonics.

At high intensity of field (say, focused laser beam) almost any media is non-linear.
 
Originally posted by dav2008

Then, by the equation v=f*[lamb] you can substitute the new velocity in, and the frequency of the light to get:

[lamb]=c/(n*f) Where [lamb] is your new wavelength, c is the speed of light, n is the index of refraction of the material and f is the frequency of the light (which stays constant)

Thanks. Yeah, I figured a medium with a differnet index of refraction would change the wavelength, but then once it passes through the medium, it would return to it's original wavelength.

I was thinking more along the lines of changing the colour of monochromatic light, such as a laser, by passing it through a 'filter' (using the term lightly here because it doesn't really 'filter' out anything) where the exiting beam is of a different colour.
Possible? Practical? Thanks!
 
Originally posted by check
I was thinking more along the lines of changing the colour of monochromatic light, such as a laser, by passing it through a 'filter' (using the term lightly here because it doesn't really 'filter' out anything) where the exiting beam is of a different colour.
No.

- Warren
 
Yes, one other way is to pass it through another medium(like glass or something). The frequency of the light will NOT change, but the wavelength will change along with its speed(well, better put, the time it takes for the light to travel a certain distance increases)
No, what do changes is the frequency, remaining the wavelength equal
Any idea why it happens?
 
Originally posted by meteor
No, what do changes is the frequency, remaining the wavelength equal
Any idea why it happens?
I asked my physics teacher when we were doing this unit..he said that the frequency stays the same, but the wavelength changes
 
Yes, I think velocity and wavelength change, but frequency f and energy hf stays same in media.
 
check this link out. brand spanking new discovery.

ps: i got this link from another thread.
 
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Whoa, that would be awesome of that is the case!
 
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Originally posted by check
First off, I'm new to the board so hello! I hope to be a regular.
Now that that's out of the way:

Is there any way to change the wavelength of monochromatic light (other than the doppler effect)?

Thanks!

Among the methods mentioned in the article is this:

"Right now, the only way to shift the frequency of a light beam involves sending an extremely intense light pulse _ with a power of many megawatts or even gigawatts _ along next to it.

This interacts with the first beam and alters its frequency, but the technique is expensive, requires high-power equipment, and is generally pretty inefficient."

Would anyone like to describe this method in more detail and
explain it? It looks as if the two beams couple in a medium and the booster beam gives energy to the weaker one and shifts it to a higher frequency. this is apparently (judging from what it says) not just producing harmonics but actually producing a small shift in frequency. Also this is not the NEW method with photonic device but an already known method. Any explanations? Links?
 
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There is this thread about the same thing.
 
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Originally posted by Integral
There is this thread about the same thing.

I remember that thread, and maximus referred to it and brought the link over from that thread----it was one you started.
But all that was about this "photonic crystal shockwave" method.

I was asking about the more established method that they mentioned in passing----which they say works but is inefficient---it does not use a photonic crystal but just uses an intense parallel beam of light which goes along side the beam you want to upshift and gives it a little energy. I'm curious because it is unintuitive to me that this would happen, except possibly in a special kind of medium.

It is a different, and older, method to raise the frequency of light and it would be nice to have a link giving an idea how the coupling works. If anyone has one.
 
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Basicly bouncing a photon using moving mirrors is same as bouncing tennis ball between moving walls - ball gets higher and higher energy if walls move toward each other and loses its energy if walls move away from each other. Photon bouncing between moving and non-moving mirror gets blue shifted if distance between mirrors is decreasing and red shifted in distance is increasing.

Bouncing visible light photons from relativistic (= moving with high speed) mirror may shift their energy well into x-ray and even gamma-ray range as observed in experiments with irradiating relativistic electron beam by a laser. This effect is proposed as a possible mechanism of generating short x-ray and gamma-ray bursts seen in distant supernova explosions.
 
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Originally posted by marcus
I was asking about the more established method that they mentioned in passing----which they say works but is inefficient---it does not use a photonic crystal but just uses an intense parallel beam of light which goes along side the beam you want to upshift and gives it a little energy. I'm curious because it is unintuitive to me that this would happen, except possibly in a special kind of medium.
Yes, anyone know? Does the energy density of pulse cause space distortions that interference with other light would make seem similar to 'moving walls'? Afterall, weren't photons supposed to not interact with each other?
 
  • #16
There are chemical methods of absorbing radiation of one frequency and reemitting it at another frequency/wavelength. For example, in florescent tube lights, uv radiation is converted into visible white/blue light. It may well be possible to have chemicals that convert other frequencies.
 

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