Does String theory resolve the information paradox?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the information paradox associated with black holes, particularly in the context of string theory. Participants explore whether information that falls into a black hole is lost or preserved, and how string theory might provide insights into this issue.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the information sucked into a black hole is lost or if it reappears after the black hole evaporates.
  • There is a suggestion that black holes might not explode as they evaporate, but rather gradually lose mass without a dramatic event.
  • One participant introduces the concept of virtual particle pairs near the event horizon, proposing that while some information may be lost, a copy might remain outside the black hole.
  • Another participant discusses the analogy of a bowling ball on a trampoline to describe the warping of spacetime and raises questions about the state of a black hole as it loses mass.
  • A reference is made to recent papers by Mathur and Lunen that suggest information is not lost in black holes, although this view is noted to be not universally accepted.
  • One participant states that compelling string theory results indicate that information loss may be an illusion, but acknowledges that opinions vary widely on the matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether information is lost in black holes, with some suggesting it is preserved and others indicating uncertainty. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about black hole evaporation and the nature of information. The references to string theory and the interpretations of its implications for information loss are not universally accepted and remain a topic of debate.

PRodQuanta
Messages
341
Reaction score
0
Ok, so we know that black holes emit Hawking radiation. Knowing this, it is safe to say that over time, black holes will decrease in size until they disappear totally. After decreasing, everything should go back to normal, you'd think. My question is, does the "data", that had been sucked in by the black hole after crossing the event horizon and hurdled toward the singularity, just dissapear? Is the information lost in a flop transition? Or does this "data" reappear?

Maybe a more laymen question is: Is there such a thing as conservation of data, according to a black hole? I'd surely think there would be.

Does String theory predict anything about this?

Thoughts.

Paden Roder
 
Physics news on Phys.org
PRodQuanta said:
Ok, so we know that black holes emit Hawking radiation. Knowing this, it is safe to say that over time, black holes will decrease in size until they disappear totally. After decreasing, everything should go back to normal, you'd think. My question is, does the "data", that had been sucked in by the black hole after crossing the event horizon and hurdled toward the singularity, just dissapear?
The question I have is if the black hole shrinks too far, then can it lose enough mass to no longer remain a black hole and explode?
 
Mike2 said:The question I have is if the black hole shrinks too far, then can it lose enough mass to no longer remain a black hole and explode?
Black holes are just the severe worping of spacetime fabric that is caused by too much mass being concentrated in such a little area. Think of the mass being a bowling ball, and spacetime being a trampoline. If the bowling ball gradually is turned into a liquid and then a steam and dissipates into the air, the warping of the trampoline will become less severe. Over time, the trampoline will come back to normal. There need be no explosion.

Paden Roder
 
When a black hole "evaporates" there isn't an explosion. I don't know what string theory predicts about loss of info through a black hole but something that i came across was that you can think there are virtual particle pairs near the event horizon of a black hole and so normally these virtual paricles occur briefly and then annhilate each other but near the evnt horizon of a black hole one of the virtual particles would go in whereas one of them would stay out. So we might lose some information however we would have a copy of it. Now this may be completely off track , I am waiting for someone to correct me.
 
PRodQuanta said:
Black holes are just the severe worping of spacetime fabric that is caused by too much mass being concentrated in such a little area. Think of the mass being a bowling ball, and spacetime being a trampoline. If the bowling ball gradually is turned into a liquid and then a steam and dissipates into the air, the warping of the trampoline will become less severe. Over time, the trampoline will come back to normal. There need be no explosion.
But as the bowling ball gradually disappears, at some point the warping of the trampoline will be severe but not severe enough to make the ball qualify as a black hole. So what happens then? (I think that's what Mike2 was trying to get at; if not I'm sorry.)
 
Chen said:But as the bowling ball gradually disappears, at some point the warping of the trampoline will be severe but not severe enough to make the ball qualify as a black hole. So what happens then? (I think that's what Mike2 was trying to get at; if not I'm sorry.)
I actually don't know, that's a good question.
Paden Roder
 
Black hole information loss--string version

I just recently posted a question about this on s.p.r. Hopefully, some of the real experts will reply. however, for one stringy explanation of why information is not lost in black holes, look up recent papers by Mathur, Lunen and coworkers in ArXiv. there are some short semitechnical papers as well as long technical ones. Both types of papers include some good pictures to help you visualize what is going on. But I gather this is not universally accepted. Jim Graber
 
jgraber said: I just recently posted a question about this on s.p.r. Hopefully, some of the real experts will reply. however, for one stringy explanation of why information is not lost in black holes, look up recent papers by Mathur, Lunen and coworkers in ArXiv. there are some short semitechnical papers as well as long technical ones. Both types of papers include some good pictures to help you visualize what is going on. But I gather this is not universally accepted. Jim Graber
Thanks for the help.
Paden Roder
 
The short answer is no one knows. There is compelling Stringy results that indicate, at least in their formalism, that the information loss is an illusion.

But depending on who you ask, you will get different answers.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
8K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
15K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
7K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
6K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K