Plasma from a grape in a microwave

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of plasma formation from grapes when microwaved, exploring the mechanisms behind it, the conditions that enhance plasma stability, and the potential for energy extraction. The scope includes experimental observations and theoretical considerations related to plasma physics and microwave interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the authenticity of the plasma phenomenon and seeks explanations for its occurrence, particularly noting the role of the glass cover in sustaining plasma.
  • Another participant shares their experience of creating plasma from grapes without a glass cover, suggesting that the plasma forms due to the electric field in an air wedge between grape surfaces.
  • A participant expresses interest in using the plasma mechanism to extract energy, speculating on the potential energy yield and the role of oxygen as fuel.
  • In response, another participant argues that the energy extracted from the grape plasma is unlikely to be significant compared to the energy input from the microwave, emphasizing that the process consumes the grapes and relies on external energy sources.
  • There is a consensus that the glass cover helps retain gas vapor, which may enhance plasma longevity, while also protecting the microwave's interior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic phenomenon of plasma formation from grapes in a microwave and the role of the glass cover in sustaining it. However, there is disagreement regarding the feasibility of using this process as a meaningful energy source, with differing views on energy extraction potential.

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The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding energy efficiency and the practicality of using grape plasma for energy extraction. The specific conditions under which plasma forms and the implications of using different glass shapes are also not fully explored.

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I'm not sure where to put this,

Its exactly what the title says:



this one shows the grape more clearly, starts properly about 1 minute in,

and also quite long sustained plasma with a match,

Plasma from a grape! any ideas how? or is it fake?

also if you watch any of the other similar videos the sustained plasma is only created when there is a glass over it, why? could it be something to do with the resonant frequency of the glass? i noticed it seemed to be sustained longest in glasses with a circular curved bottom section, ones with right angled edges don't seem to work well.
 
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Nothing to debunk here (I think, I haven't yet looked at the videos). I too have made "grape plasmas" in a microwave - and without a glass over the grape (I imagine that's to protect the inside walls of the oven from discoloration). The way I do it (see this post), there's two clean grape surfaces that are separated by a fraction of a millimeter near the corner of an air wedge. The electric field between the grape portions at the tip of the wedge is large enough to cause breakdown in the air gap, making a plasma ball there.
 
I'm going to try that! I've got an old microwave.

would it be possible to use that sort of mechanism to create a sustained plasma to extract energy from? it looks pretty energetic to me. I suppose its using oxygen mainly for fuel?
 
RA, in order to be a meaningful energy source, the energy extracted has to be a significant portion of the energy put into it. It is unlikely that the energy extracted from two grapes in a micro-wave would be comparable to conventional and/or nuclear methods. Unfortunately, the "fuel" here is the exciting energy coming from the micro-wave oven, which is in turn powered by electricity, which in turn is generated from coal, gas, nuclear power, or some other generating resource. Oh, and the grapes are also consumed by the process.

Since a plasma is just an excited gas, often created by micro-waves or some other kind of strong EMF, and this is taking place in a micro-wave, it's probably legit. I agree completely with Goku's post.

Putting a glass over the grape keeps the gas (vapor from the heated grape) from dispersing too quickly, allowing the plasma to last longer. It also, as Goku suggests, protects the inside of the appliance from getting graped-out.
 
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