(Spivak) - a function with strange behaviour.

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The discussion revolves around finding a function, f(x), that is discontinuous at specific points (1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, ...) while remaining continuous elsewhere. Participants explore various definitions and properties of such functions, including their domains and behaviors at specific points.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a function f(x) that is 1 for all real x and 0 for 1/x where x is a natural number, questioning its validity.
  • Another participant confirms that the proposed function has the desired property and notes that there are infinitely many such functions.
  • A different approach is suggested, where a function is defined as equal to 1 except at points 1/n, where it is undefined, raising questions about the necessity of defining the function everywhere.
  • Concerns are raised about the definition of a function and its domain, particularly regarding the function 1/x and its behavior at zero.
  • One participant suggests modifying a previously mentioned function to avoid discontinuity at x=0 while maintaining the required discontinuities at 1/n.
  • Another participant introduces the Gauss Transformation as a function that exhibits similar properties.
  • A suggestion is made to consider the Gamma function evaluated at -1/x for x > 0 as another potential solution.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of defining functions at all points in their domain, with some arguing that it is essential while others propose functions that are undefined at certain points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to defining such a function.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of domain definitions and the implications of discontinuities, indicating that these aspects are often not adequately addressed in early mathematical education.

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1) Find a function, [tex]f(x)[/tex] which is discontinuous at [tex]1, \frac{1}{2}, \frac{1}{3}, \frac{1}{4} ...[/tex], but continuous at any other points.

Solution (I have come across, probably wrong and a half):
f(x) = { 1 for all real x; 0 for 1/x where x is natural numbers.

Can anyone tell me the answer to this?
 
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The function you have founded have indeed that property, there is an infinite set of functions that can do the job...
 
ReyChiquito said:
The function you have founded have indeed that property, there is an infinite set of functions that can do the job...

Excellent! Thank you. :biggrin:
 
Does the function need to be defined everywhere? If not, you can construct an elegant solution as follows:

[tex]f(x)=\frac{(x-1)(x-1/2)(x-1/3)...}{(x-1)(x-1/2)(x-1/3)...}[/tex]

This function is equal to 1 except at the points [tex]\frac{1}{n}[/tex], where it is undefined.
 
Part of the definition of a function is its domain, and it needs to be defined on its domain.

If you mean, say, is 1/x a function from R to R? No: you've not defined what it is at zero, until you do it is at best a function from R\{0} to R.

This is a big problem that is not taught properly when it first arises and causes many unnecessary problems.

The one you gave has the nice property that one may define f at the points in question so that it is 1, and is continuous at all those points.
 
discontinuity

see attachment for a family of solutions
 

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Thanks for all the help :)
 
Kioria, I just want to add that the function you gave is also discontinuous at x=0, not only at x=1/n. But you can change it like this to kill that bug:

f(x) = { 0 for all real x; x for x=1/n , n any natural number
 
If you're going to get picky then the original definition doesn't define a function.
 
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matt grime said:
Part of the definition of a function is its domain, and it needs to be defined on its domain.

If you mean, say, is 1/x a function from R to R? No: you've not defined what it is at zero, until you do it is at best a function from R\{0} to R.

This is a big problem that is not taught properly when it first arises and causes many unnecessary problems.

The one you gave has the nice property that one may define f at the points in question so that it is 1, and is continuous at all those points.

Interesting. Good stuff.
 
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The Gauss Transformation is a function that is like that. It looks like this:

G(x) = 1/x + [ 1/x ] for x in the interval (0,1]
G(x) = 0 @ x=0

[] means floor, aka least integer function.
 
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Another suggestion

[tex]\Gamma( \frac {-1}{x} ), for x > 0[/tex]
 

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