Rod rotating with moment of inertia at angles? HUH?

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The discussion revolves around a slender rod of length l and mass m that rotates with a constant angular velocity omega about an axis at an angle alpha to the rod. Participants are trying to derive an expression for the torque acting on the rod and the equation of motion once it is released from its constraint.

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  • Participants are discussing the moment of inertia and its dependence on the orientation of the rod. There are attempts to derive expressions for torque and angular momentum, with some participants questioning the definitions and implications of moment of inertia.

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Some participants have provided partial derivations and hints, while others express uncertainty about specific calculations and concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between angular momentum, torque, and the geometry of the problem.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need for specific values of moment of inertia for different orientations and the implications of the rod's motion once released. There are indications of missing information and varying interpretations of the setup.

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A slender rod of length l and mass m rotates with constant angular verlocity omega about an axis which is at an angle alpha to the rod and pases through its centre. Obtain an expression for the torque acting on the rod and get eth equation of motion of the rod once it is released from its constraint at the centre. T = (1/24)ml^2*omega^2*sin(2*alpha)

Here is what I have: Just replace theta by alpha. I chose the coordinate axes to be the principal axes so the cross terms in the moment of inertia vanish. I get T = (Iyy-Izz)*omega^2*sin(2*alpha) as you can see from the attachment.

Can someone help me to figure out the values of Izz and Iyy? I would really find it vey useful if I could solve this question. Thanks, James.
 

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the axis on the left is x, on the right commin out of the page is y and along the bottle/rod is z. omega is shown at the angle aplha = theta as required.
 
Mind if I ask what is moment of inertia?
Is it some ratio between the mass and its radius from the center of rotation?
 
it is m*l^2...but for various orientations it gets a bit tricky..that is where I am stuck..really anything to help me out would be great.
 
Come on guys something...I have done most of it and am confident of what I have ...I juse need help to finish the computation...anything!
 
Can anyone help?
 
Trust me you cannot go wrong with a suggestion
 
Just a hint maybe?
 
I'm going to reply to this since I found the problem interesting. Let O be the point where the rod and the rotation axis meet. Chop up the rod into little pieces of length dr of mass dm each. The angular momentum of each little piece is
[tex]\vec{l} = \vec{r} \times dm\vec{v}[/tex]​
where
[tex]\vec{v} = \vec{r} \times \vec{\omega} \rightarrow v = r\omega\sin{\alpha}[/tex]​
and so
[tex]l = rv dm = r^2\omega\sin{\alpha}\cdot{dm}[/tex].​
Taking the integral gives us the total angular momentum of the rod.
[tex]\int_m{r^2\omega\sin{\alpha}\cdot{dm} = \int_{-l/2}^{l/2}{mr^2/l\omega\sin{\alpha}\cdot{dr}}[/tex]​
since [itex]dm = m/l\cdot{dr}[/itex]. Simplifying gives [itex]L = ml^2\omega/12\sin{\alpha}[/itex].

At any given instance, [itex]\vec{L}[/itex] is always changing direction (in fact, L is perpendicular to the rod and rotates about the axis of rotation of the rod) but will always make an angle of [itex]\pi/2 - \alpha[/itex] with the rotation axis. By looking at the rotation from directly above the axis of rotation we see that [itex]dL = L\omega\cos{\alpha}\cdot{dt}[/itex]. The net torque then is
[tex]\tau = \frac{dL}{dt} = L\omega\cos{\alpha} = \frac{ml^2\omega^2}{24}\sin{2\alpha}[/tex].​
As for the second part of the question involving the motion of the rod once it's free is still puzzling me. I guess since the center of mass of the rod isn't moving to begin with, the rod won't be going anywhere.
 

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