Thinking out of the cat's box

by Andre
Tags: thinking
 PF Gold P: 5,459 A simple one, Schrödingers cat. A cat is placed in a box, together with a radioactive atom. If the atom decays, and the geiger-counter detects an alpha particle, the hammer hits a flask of prussic acid (HCN), killing the cat. Now why is the cat alive when the observer opens the box?
 P: 2,179 Answer: The experiment wouldn't make sense if the cat were not alive at the time that the observer opened the box to put the cat in. eom
 PF Gold P: 5,459 okay let me rephrase, opening the box after N minutes after the start of the experiment. But good thinking.
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Thinking out of the cat's box

 Quote by Andre Now why is the cat alive when the observer opens the box?

Because the observer is in the box with the cat. If the cat dies, so does the observer, and the box is never opened. If the observer opens the box, it means the observer is alive, and that means the cat is alive.

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 PF Gold P: 5,459 Incredible how many way you can think out of the cat's box, It's starting to look like 'why did the duck cross the street' Think proverbal.
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 Quote by Andre Think proverbal.
I did early on, but I didn't think much of it. Answer:

The cat will only lose at most one of its nine lives. However, the cat may have lost eight lives before being confined, so this answer doesn't cover all cases.

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 PF Gold P: 5,459 Right, So did Schrödinger think in of out the box? Anyway, in another forum yesterday, I met an old forum buddy who inquired if I was still thinking out of the box while busy with a complex elaboration. So I replied that the quartenary box was way too small to think in so somebody else posted this picture asking if this box was big enough. So I needed some ammo to dismiss the joke and carry on with the thread. So I explained why not even Schrödinger thought out of the box.
 P: 1 it's alive because that's the first time he opened the box to put the cat in!
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 Quote by Andre A simple one, Schrödingers cat. A cat is placed in a box, together with a radioactive atom. If the atom decays, and the geiger-counter detects an alpha particle, the hammer hits a flask of prussic acid (HCN), killing the cat. Now why is the cat alive when the observer opens the box?
Is there really a trick to this?

The cat is alive because the atom didn't decay in N minutes. The atom is U238, which has a half-life of 4.5 billion years.

Personally, I think the setup is shaky. One atom? How are you going to detect one alpha particle?
 P: 323 Are we to assume that the geiger-counter works?
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 Quote by (x) Are we to assume that the geiger-counter works?
Is there a reason to assume otherwise?
 P: 323 In that case, wouldn't the obvious answer be that the atom didn't decay?
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 Quote by (x) In that case, wouldn't the obvious answer be that the atom didn't decay?