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The discussion revolves around determining the concavity of a function using derivatives, specifically focusing on implicit differentiation and the evaluation of the second derivative at a given point.

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  • The original poster attempts to find the first and second derivatives of a function implicitly, questioning the correctness of their approach and calculations. Some participants confirm the method of using the second derivative to determine concavity and suggest focusing on the derivatives rather than the function itself.

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Participants are actively discussing the steps involved in finding the derivatives and evaluating them at a specific point. Guidance has been offered regarding the process of solving for the first derivative and then differentiating again to find the second derivative.

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There is mention of a complex expression for y(x) that participants suggest ignoring, indicating potential complications in the problem setup. The original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment.

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I am given this problem to do but I'm not absolutely sure how to get through it. The way I would do is to find y' in terms of x's and y's and then plugin the point (1,2) and then take the derivative again and see if y'' is positve (curve up) or negative (curve down). Is this the best way to go about this problem or is it completely wrong or what?
 
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Yes. Concavity is determined by the second derivative.

So implicitly differentiate twice and get an expression for d^2y/dx^2 in terms of x and y. Then plug in (1,2).

And whatever you do, ignore that ugly-looking expression for y(x)! That will make your life very, very, very miserable.

cookiemonster
 
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cookiemonster said:
Yes. Concavity is determined by the second derivative.

So implicitly differentiate twice and get an expression for d^2y/dx^2 in terms of x and y. Then plug in (1,2).

And whatever you do, ignore that ugly-looking expression for y(x)! That will make your life very, very, very miserable.

cookiemonster

I calculated the first derivative and got 15x^(2)y+5x^(3)y'-3y^(2)-6xyy'+3y^(2)y'=0. is this correct and if so, what do i do after this? express in terms of y'?
 
Yes. Now solve for y' and then differentiate again. Then solve for y'' and substitute away any y' you see. Then just plug in values.

cookiemonster
 
Thanks! I got it.
 

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