How does boiling the vacuum generate matter from light?

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The discussion centers on the concept of "boiling the vacuum," where intense laser beams could potentially generate matter from light by focusing energy into empty space. This phenomenon may involve extreme oscillation amplitudes that allow virtual particle-antiparticle pairs to gain enough energy to escape annihilation. Researchers are exploring whether such intense lasers could reveal the structure of space without needing distant astronomical observations. The conversation also draws parallels between vacuum dynamics and cavitation processes, suggesting that understanding cavitation could provide insights into the early universe and dark energy. Overall, the potential implications of boiling the vacuum for both fundamental physics and practical applications in energy generation are highlighted.
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"Boiling the Vacuum"

I came across this article describing the most intense laser pulse ever made:

http://www.physorg.com/news122298608.html

In a paragraph near the end, they mention this:

In addition to medical uses, intense laser beams like these could help researchers explore new frontiers in science. At even more extreme intensities, laser beams could potentially "boil the vacuum," which scientists theorize would generate matter by merely focusing light into empty space. Some scientists also see applications in inertial confinement fusion research, coaxing low-mass atoms to join together into heavier ones and release energy in the process.

How exactly does "boiling the vacuum" work? If we take light as a wave passing through a medium of barely-lived virtual particle-antiparticle pairs, are we saying that sufficiently extreme oscillation amplitudes could result in some pairs being imparted enough energy to escape mutual anihilation?

If so, then could experiments be conducted to test for a "foam" medium that lacks a reference frame? (I've always sort of visualized a "quantum foam" as something like the "snow" on your television screen, whereby all the blinking points of light are so dynamic and briefly-lived that they can't give you a reference frame or sense of movement as you pan your eyes across the snowy/fizzy screen.)

I'm assuming that only extrema conditions can allow us to detect the "foam". Some researchers have sought to look a very distant, massive stars, thinking that their high energy passing across an extremely large distance would reveal the structure of space. But could this extremely intense laser reduce the need for a distance factor, and allow us to see the structure of space just from the extreme intensity of the laser itself?
 
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I've always wondered if there might be some way to "supercavitate" the vacuum, like that Russian sqval torpedo that can overcome the water's resistance to travel extremely fast. If a spaceship could achieve such "supercavitation" of the vacuum, and suppress/reduce the vacuum oscillations ahead of it, then it might work like that Alcubierre Warp Drive concept, which is based on the idea of "negative space". From what I can see, "negative space" would be space that has less vacuum fluctuations compared to normal space. Sort of like how the vapor bubble around a supercavitating torpedo has less density than liquid water. Or like how the protruding bluntbody surface in front of a quiet supersonic aircraft creates a wake in front of the aircraft.

So I would plead for some feedback/commentary from the experts on the forum. Is it conceivable that there could be "cavitation" or "supercavitation" of the vacuum? I realize that the "boiling" analogy is a loosely contrived one, but could it hold upto a macroscopic scale?

If we use ordinary foam as a forced analogy to the conjectured "quantum foam", then how does one measure mach-number or reynolds-number in a foam medium?
 


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While I am not a scientist, I am working with the application of cavitation onto biomass as a co-catalyst for its rapid dissolving into sugars which we expect to see catalyzed directly to biodiesel and biogasoline...beyond the ethanol paradigm and its Donner Trail, as we utiilze all of the biomass carbohydrates (80%), as well as other components in the total refining of the "barrel of biomass" into fuel within minutes, not days.

Working with this phenomenon of cavitation in an applied way, and knowing of its mysterious effects of light release..aka sonoluminesence in one induction method, it occurs to me how similar it is in those bubbles to the formation of the vacuum bubble of our universe. In each we have light coming seemingly from nowhere at its origins..many theories, but perhaps no consensus to date on the pre-zero nature of the universe...whereas in the cavitation bubble, we know that a force was applied from outside upon water to achieve the effect, either with the special machine I use, or by those applying modulated frequency inputs into water to cause its boiling.

I can't crunch numbers to compare the two, but they are similar in many ways with their vacuum interior, their light sources surrounded by cold space and their mystery. Could it be that something analgous to water preceded the universe as we know it, and that some force acted upon that universal water analogue...dark energy perhaps, providing for a drawing back rather than the "big explosion" from a dimensionless dot of the "big bang"?

Silly at one level perhaps, but there are not many things that compare to the first moment of the universe that are closer than cavitation...but then I don't know that much...just from my reference point. In the pre-zeroness, could some energy, dark energy, have acted upon some form of matter which we really do not understand yet...dark matter, that resulted in a sucking action which became our universe? It fits with the way nature works around us, the cavitation, or at least the first stage of cavitation (it being "basically" a two stage event of expansion (with a release of light, and "they" say, 5000 degrees heat..with some saying higher, for..is it a pico-second?) being the formation of a vessel, then a second stage in which the bubble collapses and...interesting...a release of an energy wave at the speed of a tsunami traveling through the ocean. BTW..those two stages, deftly delivered gives economic support for biomass hydroysis. Which leads one to think about oscillating universe with the collapse sending out a shockwave into the dark matter post collapse, perhaps becoming the very energy for its next round.

The fascinating tendency for everything to evolve, from a human perspective, would seem to indicate that within the expanding bubble there is some code that tells rocks to want to become people, and beyond.

Cavitation is really cool.

My apologies for not talking in physics speak, but I hope that the ideas aren't "anti physics"...except in a constructively negative, cavitating way.
 


Of course, those "evolving" people are just parasites of the local star...
 


sanman said:
I came across this article describing the most intense laser pulse ever made:

http://www.physorg.com/news122298608.html

If it eventually pans-out through more work, I find the concept and potential fascinating.
 
Theoretical physicist C.N. Yang died at the age of 103 years on October 18, 2025. He is the Yang in Yang-Mills theory, which he and his collaborators devised in 1953, which is a generic quantum field theory that is used by scientists to study amplitudes (i.e. vector probabilities) that are foundational in all Standard Model processes and most quantum gravity theories. He also won a Nobel prize in 1957 for his work on CP violation. (I didn't see the post in General Discussions at PF on his...

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