What is the collision question for this dynamics problem?

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a collision between two objects, where the coefficient of restitution is specified as e=0.5. Participants are exploring the implications of this coefficient on the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy, as well as the unknown initial and final velocities of the objects involved.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the conservation of momentum and the definition of the coefficient of restitution to derive relationships between the velocities before and after the collision. Questions are raised about the correct interpretation of the equations and the unknown variables involved.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the equations needed to relate the velocities and have confirmed the values of the masses involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to manipulate these equations to solve for the unknowns, with multiple interpretations of the relationships being discussed.

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Participants note that they were not provided with certain equations initially, which has led to confusion in their attempts to solve the problem. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify these equations and their application in the context of the problem.

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Homework Equations



Conservation of momentum
Conservation of kinetic energy

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I really have no idea. I don't know the velocity of A before the collision and i don't know the speed of A after the collision. So i can't use the conservation of momentum. I also know its not an elastic collision because I am told "the restitution is e=0.5". Should i have been told some kind of equation to allow me to work this out or am i missing something?

James
 
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Spadez said:

Homework Equations



Conservation of momentum
Conservation of kinetic energy

Both. In short, (don't feel like using latex), if co-eff of restitution is e=1/2, then,

relative velo after collision = vb - va_f = (1/2)va_i = relative velo before collision.

Using consvn of mom, ma*va_i = ma*va_2 + mb*vb.

All velos are +ve to the RHS. Solve for va_f. The masses and vb are given.
 
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Hi shooting star, i really appreciate the help but I am still a little stuck, would you mind answering a few more questions for me?

ma*va_i = ma*va_2 + mb*vb

Is this correct:
ma = Mass A = 1kg
va_i = Velocity of A initially = Unknown
va_2 = Final velocity of A? = Unknown
mb = Mass of B = 10kg
vb = Final Velocity of B? = 0.876m/s

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relative velo after collision = vb - va_f = -(1/2)va_i = -relative velo before collision

Im also a little confused by this equation. Does that mean that in effect relative velo after collision is equal to -relative velo before collision?

Or was it meant to read like this:
relative velo after collision = vb - va_f
-(1/2)va_i = -relative velo before collision

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Finally, am i meant to rearrange this equation
vb - va_f = -(1/2)va_i
to make vb the subject and then factor it into the conservation of momentum equation you gave me? I only ask because i still have two unknowns at this point, va_i and va_f.

Again thank you for the help, sorry i have to ask more questions.
 
The coefficient of restitution between to objects (1 and 2) is given by
[tex]C_r = \frac{V_{2f}-V_{1f}}{V_{1i}-V_{2i}}[/tex]

If A is object 1 and B is object 2, then this simplifies to:
[tex].5 = \frac{V_{Bf}-V_{Af}}{V_{Ai}}[/tex]
Since the initial velocity of B is zero.

And then you have
[tex]M_{A}V_{Ai} = M_{A}V_{Af}+M_{B}V_{Bf}[/tex]
I think Shooting Star may have meant solve for [tex]V_{Af}[/tex]. Looks like you can do it with those two equations.
 
Spadez said:
Is this correct:
ma = Mass A = 1kg
va_i = Velocity of A initially = Unknown
va_2 = Final velocity of A? = Unknown
mb = Mass of B = 10kg
vb = Final Velocity of B? = 0.876m/s
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All correct. Sorry I made a few typos in my last post. I have edited those. Pl go through it now once more. Two simple eqns and two unknowns -- piece of cake.
 
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Thank you both for the help. For some reason or another i wasnt given these equations. Ill give it a go tomorrow and see how it goes.
 
That worked :D
 

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