Classification of Stella Spectra

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of stars using the letters O, B, A, F, G, K, and M, exploring the significance of these letters in relation to stellar spectra and their historical context. Participants delve into the origins of the classification system, its evolution, and the implications of the spectral lines associated with different star types.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the letters represent a classification system based on the intensity of hydrogen spectral lines, with A being the darkest and subsequent letters representing progressively lighter lines.
  • Others argue that the classification has evolved over time, with the original system established by Professor Draper being revised as understanding of stellar temperatures and spectra improved.
  • A participant mentions additional classes beyond the original letters, suggesting that the classification extends to W, R, N, and S, and that newer classes like T, L, and C may also exist.
  • Some contributions highlight that the letters were chosen arbitrarily and could have been represented numerically instead, emphasizing that the classification is not inherently meaningful beyond its historical context.
  • Several mnemonic phrases are shared among participants to aid in memorizing the classification order, though some express concern over the appropriateness of certain terms used in these mnemonics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the significance of the letters, with multiple competing views on their historical context, meaning, and the necessity of the classification system itself. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the classification and its relevance today.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the physical significance of spectral lines and the historical context of the classification system. The evolution of the classification scheme and its dependence on the understanding of stellar atmospheres are also noted but not fully resolved.

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Just a simple quickie, why are stars classified using the letters O, B, A, F, G, K and M? Is there any significance in the letters?
 
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Indeed, there is a significance. http://lheawww.gsfc.nasa.gov/users/allen/spectral_classification.html provides an overwiev
 
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Back in the late 1800s, when Professor Draper of Harvard Observatory began his photographic collection of stellar spectra, the underlying physical significance of spectral line intensities was not understood, nor did he have a way to guess the temperatures of the stellar atmospheres that produced these spectra. But he best understood the visible Hydrogen dark lines (Balmer series) and decided to base a classification on letters of the roman alphabet: A, B, C, D,... A would be (and still is) the darkest hydrogen Balmer lines, B would be next darkest and so on down. This project was continued by Annie Cannon after Draper died. With time it became clear that the Draper system was not a particularly natural one, though thousands of records had been classified using this letter scheme. The matter of determining effective temperatures, excitation versus ionization in line spectra and their statistical distribution, and also the effects of stellar size differences on spectra led to a realization that these letters needed to be rearranged differently. For instance, O represents a hotter stellar surface condition than A, but is weak in Hydrogen lines. That is because almost all of the Hydrogen is at equilibrium in the ionized state at that temperature, so practically no Balmer lines can be detected. Most of the letters turned out to be single rare and peculiar stars, better represented by certain common letters in the system, so they were dropped. The remaining were W,O,B,A,F,G,K,M and a few others, going from hottest surface temperatures on down. The revised scheme is also complicated by existence of bright lines in the spectra of some stars.

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So what is the meaning of the letters?
 
"Oh, Be A Fine Gorilla, Kiss Me."

- Warren
 
Just a simple quickie, why are stars classified using the letters O, B, A, F, G, K and M? Is there any significance in the letters?
Indeed, your list is not complete. It extends to 4 more classes (R,N and S by the right and W by the left)
So the list must be W O B A F G K M R N S
You can memorize it like "Wow, Oh be a fine girl, kiss me right now soon"
 
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"girl": I understand this is no longer "PC" in certain countries in the North American continent ... and why not "guy"? or "gorilla"?

"soon": used to be "sweetheart", but also no longer PC

In any case, we now have T, L, C (?), and maybe more as classes for stars (not necessary, entirely, spectral classifications).
 
jimmy p said:
So what is the meaning of the letters?
A bunch of memory tricks tell you nothing about the meaning of the letters. Go to:

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit1/sptypes.html and read the progression of the classification systems all to the bottom of the page, and then click on the top or bottom link that shows comparative spectra of the different classes. The letters just happened to be rearranged as explaned on the link, and could have just as well been 1, 2, 3 etc. had letters not been originally chosen.
 
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jimmy p said:
So what is the meaning of the letters?

The meaning of the letters is that A is the first letter of the Roman alphabet, B is the second letter, C is the third letter, etc. It is a list.

The sequence was set up to begin with stars of darkest Hydrogen spectral lines first, next darkest second, and so on. Most of the classes (letters) were later thought unnecessary. Effective temperature became more physically important than the original idea of Hydrogen dark lines. So the remaining classes (letters) got their order changed to go from highest effective emission temperature on down.
 
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chroot said:
"Oh, Be A Fine Gorilla, Kiss Me."

- Warren

oh yeh! no prob u lady gorilla u! pphhwwaa!
 
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jimmy p said:
just a simple quickie, why are stars classified using the letters o, b, a, f, g, k and m? Is there any significance in the letters?

legend jimmy p! {:-)
 

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