What Determines the Most Probable Value of r in Hydrogen's Ground State?

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The problem involves determining the most probable value of the radial distance \( r \) for the electron in the ground state of a hydrogen atom, as presented in Griffiths problem 4.14. Participants are exploring the concept of probability density and its relation to spherical coordinates in quantum mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster questions the rationale behind using the factor \( 4\pi r^2 dr \) to find the probability of the electron being located between \( r \) and \( r+dr \). They also express confusion about differentiating the probability density and the implications of the wavefunction's inner product in this context.

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Some participants are providing clarifications regarding the integration over angular coordinates to derive the probability density and the subsequent maximization process. There is an acknowledgment of the need to set the derivative to zero to find the maximum probability density.

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The discussion reflects uncertainty about the appropriate approach to take in calculating the probability, as well as the implications of the wavefunction's structure and its coefficients.

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Griffiths 4.14: What is the most probably value of r, in the ground state of hydrogen? (Hint: First you must figure out the probability that the electron would be found between r and r+dr.

Here is the posted solution:

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~syang9/problem%204.14%20solution.PNG

I don't understand the approach; why does multiplying the probability density by [tex]\[<br /> 4\pi r^2 dr\][/tex] give the probability that the electron will be found between r and r+dr? Why do we differentiate p(r)? In general, I thought the way to find the probability of a particle being in a particular energy eigenstate was to take the inner product of the general wavefunction with the energy eigenstate..

[tex] \[<br /> \left| {c_n } \right|^2 = \int_{ - \infty }^\infty {\Psi ^* (\overrightarrow {\bf{r}},t) \cdot \psi (r){\rm{ }}dr} <br /> \][/tex]

But the general wave function is a sum which involves [tex]c_n[/tex].. so I don't understand what governs which approach to take..
 
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I hope this question doesn't fall into the abyss of unanswered questions, forever forgotten by all..
 
It takes longer to fall into the abyss of unanswered questions than two hours. Be patient. The solution is doing exactly what the hint proposes. It's finding the probability density of the wave function as a function of r by integrating over the angular coordinates. That's where the 4*pi*r^2 comes from, it's what you get from that integration together with the volume element in spherical coordinates. Then you maximize it, hence the derivative.
 
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So I want to figure out at what point the probability density is a maximum; that's why I set the derivative to zero. OK, I get it, thanks!
 
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(Also, yes, you are right. I will try to be more patient.)
 

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