photon as composite of electron and positron


by K S Mallesh
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K S Mallesh
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May3-08, 04:15 PM
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A photon annihilates into an electron and a positron (both having spin 1/2). The reverse process is also a reality. Can the photon therefore be viewed as a composite of an electron and a positron having a total spin 1?
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A photon annihilates into an electron and a positron (both having spin 1/2). The reverse process is also a reality. Can the photon therefore be viewed as a composite of an electron and a positron having a total spin 1?
I once thought this until I discovered that pair production by the photon can also yield other particles.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0111460
V. A. Kudryavtsev
(Submitted on 23 Nov 2001)

Abstract: Production of muon pairs by high-energy photons in electromagnetic and hadronic showers in atmosphere has been calculated.
But I wouldn't be discouraged by what I say. A day doesn't go by that someone here at the forum doesn't ask a question about photon's. I have the feeling that no one is even close to understanding light.
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May5-08, 04:58 AM
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A bound state of electron and positron is well-known in nature and it is not stable as it will decay in two photons in 125 picoseconds for the singlet case. This is called positronium. So, photons should be regarded as truly elementary particles unless a more fundamental theory is found with other building blocks.

Anyway you can see this by yourself as electrons and positrons can have only weak and electromagnetic interactions and while the former cannot form bound states due to their extreme weakness, the latter forms bound states but with bound energy of the order of eV making the bonding not that strong. Besides, due to quantum electrodynamics, this bound is not even stable. You should note here a difference with respect to atoms.

Jon

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photon as composite of electron and positron


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A bound state of electron and positron is well-known in nature and it is not stable as it will decay in two photons in 125 picoseconds for the singlet case. This is called positronium. So, photons should be regarded as truly elementary particles unless a more fundamental theory is found with other building blocks.

Anyway you can see this by yourself as electrons and positrons can have only weak and electromagnetic interactions and while the former cannot form bound states due to their extreme weakness, the latter forms bound states but with bound energy of the order of eV making the bonding not that strong. Besides, due to quantum electrodynamics, this bound is not even stable. You should note here a difference with respect to atoms.

Jon
Dear Sir,
Thanks for your reply which contains reasonable aspects that do not favour such composite nature for photons


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