Textbook on Numerical Celestial Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around finding suitable textbooks on numerical celestial mechanics, focusing on the specific needs of participants with a background in classical mechanics and numerical analysis. The scope includes theoretical approaches, numerical methods, and practical applications in celestial mechanics.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a textbook that does not start with introductory material, has a numerical approach, and is not overly focused on applications like satellite control.
  • Another participant suggests finding a good Numerical Methods book and applying those methods to Celestial Mechanics, recommending "Elementary Numerical Analysis" and "A Survey of Numerical Mathematics."
  • A participant expresses concern that celestial mechanics has unique challenges, such as long integration times and energy conservation, which may require specialized texts.
  • It is noted that the recommended texts may not provide "recipe" style guidance and emphasize understanding inherent errors in numerical methods.
  • One participant mentions a specific book used in their school that includes pseudocode algorithms but criticizes its organization.
  • A participant asserts that modeling an orbit involves integrating equations and questions if there are additional complexities the original poster is considering.
  • Another participant recommends A.D. Dubyago's "THE DETERMINATION OF ORBITS," highlighting its content on the Method of Gauss for orbit determination.
  • A participant shares links to their own solutions and programs related to orbital mechanics, indicating a practical approach to the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the suitability of various textbooks and methods for numerical celestial mechanics. There is no consensus on a single recommended text, and multiple competing views on the best approach to the topic remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the recommended texts regarding their focus and organization, as well as the specific needs of those with advanced backgrounds in numerical analysis and celestial mechanics.

Coelum
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Forum,
I'm seeking for a good textbook on numerical celestial mechanics. My current level of proficiency is:
1- understanding of classical mechanics is at the level of Goldstein's textbook
2- understanding of numerical analysis is at the level that I can easily pick up an algorithm from the "numerical recipes" and rewrite it in my preferred language(s)
Virtually all of the books I've seen so far do not fit my requirements for one or more of the following reasons:
1- too introductory (e.g., start explaining Newton's laws)
2- no numerical approach
3- focused on other applications (e.g., satellite control)
Of course, a cheap textbook would be appreciated ... ;-)
 
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You may need to find a good Numerical Methods book and then apply the general methods to Celestial Mechanics.
I find Elementary Numerical Analysis by Conte and de Boor very useful. Also the 2 volume set A Survey of Numerical Mathematics by Young and Gregory is good.
 
Integral,
thanks for you reply. However, I understand that Celestial Mechanics has some peculiar idiosyncracies (long integration time, need to conserve energy, precision balancing between numerical integration and function evaluation) that seem to require a very specialized approach.
From you reply I understand that I was not very clear on my background: I have some years experience in technical/scientific computing so an introductory text on Numerical Analysis is likely to be of little use. But'll be glad to have a look at the books you reference.
 
Neither of those texts are a "recipe" style books. I used them in grad level Numerical Analysis Math courses, I believe that this differers from a CS course in that a large emphasis is placed on understanding the inherent errors. If you cannot find a canned set of recipes to do what you need. These books may be of some help in designing your own programs. Though it may not be easy to dig out the information you need.
 
Hi Coelum,

It's not cheap, but http://www.talkroot.com/cgi-bin/shop-item_id-1881883124-search_type-AsinSearch-locale-us.html is the book which is used in my school for two semesters of orbital mechanics. It has quite a few pseudocode algorithms for various topics, and covers pretty much any topic you can think of.

Downside is: It's poorly organized, IMO. It has everything, but needs an editor badly.
 
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what do you want to know?

modelling an orbit is just a matter of integrating some equations. one can easily make numerical equations from written ones.

or are there other things you want to do?
 
I liked A.D. Dubyago's THE DETERMINATION OF ORBITS, translated from the Russian by the Rand Corporation. The Method of Gauss to determine an orbit by three angle-only observations is in Chapter Five.

Jerry Abbott
 
Jenab said:
I liked A.D. Dubyago's THE DETERMINATION OF ORBITS, translated from the Russian by the Rand Corporation. The Method of Gauss to determine an orbit by three angle-only observations is in Chapter Five.

Jerry Abbott

Here's my solution to the ephemeris problem. Yahoo Answers staff didn't like it, but it's a correct general solution with a worked example for Jupiter's position on a given date.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/15453.html

Here's a BASIC program I wrote (with double precision) to evolve a heliocentric state vector with a small time increment for a given period of time. It's basically a numerical check on a two-body Keplerian solution for my transfer orbit procedure.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/15275.html

Hyperbolic transfer orbit calculation.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/15054.html

Predicting lunar eclipses.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/13341.html

Determining an orbit with three geocentric angular positions by the method of Gauss.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/12572.html

Elliptical transfer orbit calculation.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/12053.html

The Case of the Mischievous Astronaut (probably somebody's homework problem).
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/6204.html

Orbital elements for solar system planets.
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/3160.html

Hohmann transfer orbits (worked examples).
http://jenab6.livejournal.com/1510.html

Jerry Abbott
 

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