Solving for a and t Given s, vi, and vf

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The discussion revolves around solving for acceleration (a) and time (t) given specific values for distance (s), initial velocity (vi), and final velocity (vf). Participants explore the relationships between these variables through algebraic manipulation and integration, while also addressing potential errors in calculations.

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  • One participant presents a method to find acceleration and time using the equations of motion, suggesting that they derived t and a from the given values.
  • Another participant confirms the algebraic steps but questions the arithmetic, indicating a possible error in the calculated time.
  • A later reply discusses the validity of matching numbers from different graphs, suggesting that the approach is valid as it relates to the same physical situation.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the problem's objective, prompting a request for clarification on what is being solved.
  • The original poster clarifies that they were more interested in the method of using variables in equations rather than finding a definitive answer, indicating uncertainty about the appropriateness of their approach.

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Participants generally agree on the algebraic approach but express differing views on the arithmetic accuracy and the clarity of the problem statement. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the calculations and the overall problem context.

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There are indications of potential human error in arithmetic calculations, and the discussion reflects a lack of clarity regarding the specific problem being addressed. The relationship between the variables and their derivatives is also a point of exploration.

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Here is the info.

s = 150m
a = ?
t = ?
vi = 0
vf = 27

Here is what I did:

[tex]27 = at[/tex]
[tex]27/t = a[/tex]

Put a into another unsolved equation.

[tex]150 = 1/2(27/t)t^2[/tex]
[tex]11.1 = t[/tex]

Put the known variable into the first equation.

[tex]27 = a(11.1)[/tex]
[tex]2.43 = a[/tex]

All I did was take variables, and insert it into it's derivative, or antiderivative. I'm getting different answers using other methods. Can someone explain if this is incorrect?
 
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Your algebra seems correct, how ever your arithemtic is suspect.

I get t=11.1s
 
Yeah, you're right.

Human error. :biggrin:

So, even though you are matching up numbers of different graphs, it still is valid?
 
If I understand your question correctly, the answer is yes.

Actually you are solving the Differential Equation:

[tex]\frac {d^2s} {dt^2} =a[/tex]
with initial conditions

[tex]\frac {ds(T)} {dt}= 27 \frac m s[/tex]

[tex]\frac {ds(0)} {dt}= 0 \frac m s[/tex]

[tex]s(T) =150m[/tex]

[tex]s(0)=0[/tex]

T is the time you need to find.

This can be solved by integration, with each integration constant evaluated using the initial conditions. So your "velocity graph" is the derivative of the "position graph" and are thus simply showing different aspects of the same physical situation.
 
The difficulty in telling you if this method works for solving the problem is that you never actually told us what the problem is! You said you did this and that but what is it you are trying to solve?
 
I gave you the info. I had, and showed my steps.

I wasn't really concerned on finding the answer. I was just curious if using certain variables into other equations to find the answer. I know you can do this, but I wasn't quite sure if you can do it with its own derivative.

I guess you can. Thanks for the advice.
 

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