Can someone show me how to do this dynamics question?

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The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving two particles connected by a string over a pulley. The particles have different masses and are subjected to gravitational forces, with one on an inclined plane and the other on a horizontal table. The problem requires finding the acceleration of one particle, the tension in the string, and the distance traveled by the second particle within a specific time frame.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the inextensibility of the string, noting that the accelerations of both particles must be equal. There is also a focus on the forces acting on the inclined block and the tension in the string. Some participants express confusion over the number of unknowns in the problem, with varying interpretations of what constitutes knowns and unknowns.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem setup and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of forces and the implications of a smooth table, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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Participants have noted the absence of friction in the problem, which has led to some confusion regarding the number of unknowns. There is also mention of the need for specific values if friction were to be considered, indicating that assumptions about the problem setup are being questioned.

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I've been doing this question for a while but I can't seem to get the right answere. I end up with three unknowns and I can't see what I'm doing wrong.

Two particles A and B, of mass 8kg and 10kg respectively are connected by a light inextensible string which passes over a light smooth pulley P. Particle b rests on a smooth horizontal table and particle A rests on a smooth plane inclined at 30 degrees to the horizontal with the string taut and perpendicular to the line of intersection of the table and the plane as shown below.
The system is released from rest.
a) Find the magnitude of the acceleration of particle B
b) Find, in Newtons, the tension in the string.
c) Find the distance covered by B in the first two seconds of motion, given B does not reach the pulley.
 

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Since the string is given to be inextensible, the magnitude of the accelerations of A og B must be the same; otherwise, the string would either contract or lengthen.

ii) The tension in the spring is equal in magnitude at all points on the spring.

Hence, you have basically two unknowns, particle acceleration and tension.
 
Oh yes, I was stupid enough not to realize that the table was smooth so I though there was friction acting as well.
 
That wasn't a stupid reasoning from your side!
I think however, that if friction were intended to be included, the exercise would have given a value for the kinematic friction coefficient.(Otherwise, you wouldn't have been able to solve the problem..)
 
Three unknowns: well actually you have three knowns .. the forces on the block on the incline .. they must sum to zero, then solve for acceleration.
F1=gsintheta, F2=-m1a F3=-m2a=T

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flexten said:
Three unknowns: well actually you have three knowns .. the forces on the block on the incline .. they must sum to zero, then solve for acceleration.
F1=gsintheta, F2=-m1a F3=-m2a=T

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If you want to count every conceivable "unkown" in the problem, you've got 8:

2 vectorial particle accelerations (A total of 4 unknowns)
2 magnitudes of normal forces
2 tensile force magnitudes, each acting on a distinct block.
 

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