Why is the trivial ring excluded in the definition of a field?

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The discussion centers on the definition of a field in the context of ring theory, specifically addressing why the trivial ring is excluded from this definition. Participants explore the implications of defining fields as varieties and the significance of the condition that requires the existence of at least two distinct elements.

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  • One participant argues that a commutative ring can be defined as a variety based on universally quantified identities and questions the exclusion of the trivial ring from the definition of a field.
  • Another participant clarifies that they are referring to a specific sense of "variety" in universal algebra, not the geometric sense.
  • A later reply challenges the initial claim about adding a new predicate symbol to create a variety that includes fields and the trivial ring, stating that it leads to a degenerate variety where the identity x=0 can be proven.
  • It is noted that fields do not form a universal algebra, as evidenced by the fact that the Cartesian product of two fields is not a field.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of defining fields and the nature of varieties, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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A commutative ring is a variety, because its definition consists only of universally quantified identities:
g+(h+k) = (g+h)+k
g+0=g
(-g) + g = 0
g + h = h + g
g(hk) = (gh)k
g(h+k) = gh+gk
1g = g
gh = hg
where (-g) denotes the additive inverse of g.

Adding a new predicate symbol "(1/...)" defined by
(1/g)g = 1

and adding this identity to the list, a new variety is created, whose members are fields along with the trivial ring.

Why is it so important to exclude the trivial ring in the definition of a field (by the requirement 0\neq1 or |G|\ge2) even though fields are not varieties? Is there any value to the structure defined above (the smallest variety containing all rings)?
 
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Um, isn't a variety an algebraic subset of P^n or A^n?
 
Different kind of variety. I'm talking about the sense in universal algebra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(universal_algebra ) (I'm using Wikipedia to help me through this PDF: http://www.math.iastate.edu/cliff/BurrisSanka.pdf )
 
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CRGreathouse said:
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Adding a new predicate symbol "(1/...)" defined by
(1/g)g = 1

and adding this identity to the list, a new variety is created, whose members are fields along with the trivial ring.
Not true. Adding this gives you the degenerate variety: your axioms allow you to prove the identity x=0 as follows:

0 = (x (1/0))0 = x ((1/0) 0) = x 1 = 1 x = x.


Fields are not a universal algebra. This can be seen, for example, by noting that the Cartesian product of two fields is not a field.
 
Ah, right. That's what I was looking for, thanks!
 

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