Velocity Calculation with c^2 Substitution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of velocity using the relativistic velocity addition formula, specifically questioning the implications of substituting c^2 for velocities V1 and V2. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the outcome of substituting c^2 for both V1 and V2 in the velocity addition formula, suggesting it results in a total velocity of 2 m/s.
  • Another participant asserts that substituting c^2 leads to a result of c, not 2 m/s, and provides a calculation to support this claim.
  • A third participant argues that using c^2 is nonsensical, emphasizing that the formula requires speeds, not squared speeds.
  • A later reply clarifies the intended substitution of (3*10^8)^2 and reiterates that the arithmetic leads to a meaningless result.
  • Further clarification is provided by another participant, who suggests using a large value for velocity in the form V=kc, where k is significantly greater than 1, and discusses the implications of this substitution in the context of the formula.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of substituting c^2 for the velocities in the formula, with some asserting it leads to incorrect results while others challenge the arithmetic and reasoning behind the claims.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of velocity and the context of the substitutions made, as well as potential misunderstandings about the application of the formula.

ccb056
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If this equation is true:
V=(V1+V2)/(1+(V1*V2)/c^2)

Then why is it when you plug in c^2 for both V1 and V2 you get the total velocity as 2m/s
 
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You don't.. you get c.

[tex]V = \frac{2 c}{1 + c^2/c^2} = \frac{2 c}{2} = c[/tex]

- Warren
 
ccb056 said:
... you plug in c^2 for both V1 and V2 ...
This will give a nonsensical result. You must plug in speed, not squared speed.
 
What I meant to say was (3*10^8)^2
 
ccb056 said:
What I meant to say was (3*10^8)^2

It's still meaningless, besides wrong arithmetic:
Putting your value into slots for V1 and V2 yields:
[tex] \frac{2*(3*10^{8})^{2}}{1+(3*10^{8})^{2}}[/tex]

To clarify, and make a more "accurate" argument:
Let the "velocities" be some big, ugly number on the form: V=kc, k>>1
Then you have by plugging in:
[tex]\frac{2V}{1+(\frac{V}{c})^{2}}\approx\frac{2c}{k}[/tex]
In your case, k=c; hence the approximate value of 2.
 
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