Sufficiency of n eqs. for n unkwns.

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The discussion revolves around the sufficiency of a set of equations to determine unknowns, specifically in the context of complex variables. Participants explore the relationship between the number of equations and unknowns, particularly focusing on how complex equations can be interpreted in terms of real and imaginary components.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls that a set of n independent equations is generally sufficient to determine n unknowns but expresses confusion regarding complex variables.
  • Another participant suggests that each complex equation can be viewed as two separate equations, one for the real part and one for the imaginary part, thus maintaining the balance of equations and unknowns.
  • Some participants assert that two equations are required per complex variable, indicating that while there are two real equations per complex variable, it still counts as one complex equation.
  • A participant presents an example involving the equations |z| + |w| = 1 and z + w* = 0, questioning whether this demonstrates a lack of independence since it determines magnitudes but leaves phases arbitrary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that complex equations can be treated as multiple real equations, but there is ongoing debate about the implications of independence and the nature of the solutions provided by the equations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of independence and the treatment of complex variables, which may not be universally agreed upon. The implications of the example provided regarding independence remain unresolved.

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I remember from way back in jr high learning that a set of n independent equations is sufficient to determine n unkowns. Lately, I've been a little confused when it comes to complex variables.

My confusion is particularly manifest when dealing with magnitudes and complex conjugation.

I just wanted to get a second oppinion. For example, given two complex valued unkowns w and z, it seems like one should actually consider these as four unkowns, two for the real parts and two more for the imaginary parts. But then again, they can be determined by only two equations. But then again, each equation seems to have two compoents. I don't know how I should think about this.
 
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Consider that each complex equation is really two equations, one for the imagiary part, and one for the real part, so if you separate into components, you still get a matching number of equations and unknowns.
 
Score 1 for 2 eqs. required per complex variable.
 
turin said:
Score 1 for 2 eqs. required per complex variable.

Two real equations (i.e. with real coefficients) per complex variable.

As NateTG said, that is still one complex equation per variable.

The fact that n "independent" equations in n unknowns has a unique solution is pretty much the definition of "independent".
 
HallsofIvy said:
The fact that n "independent" equations in n unknowns has a unique solution is pretty much the definition of "independent".
Here's an example.

|z| + |w| = 1
z + w* = 0

This system of equations pins down the magnitudes but leaves the phases arbitrary. Does this show that these equations are not independent?
 

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