[PhD Qualifier] Hockey puck friction

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The problem involves a hockey puck moving in a circular path on an ice rink, where friction affects its velocity over time. The original poster is tasked with calculating the puck's speed as a function of time and the total distance traveled as time approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the speed of the puck and the distance traveled using equations of motion and friction. They express confusion about the implications of their results, particularly regarding the infinite distance traveled.

Discussion Status

Some participants engage with the original poster's reasoning, questioning the physicality of the results and referencing Newton's first law. There appears to be a mix of interpretations regarding the implications of the calculations, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes concerns about the physical realism of the results derived from the equations, particularly in relation to the behavior of the puck under the influence of friction.

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This one seems like it should be easy, not sure where the trouble is.

Homework Statement



A circular ice rink lies in a horizontal plane. A puck of mass M is propelled from point A along the rail of the ice rink so that the puck moves in a circular path. The magnitude of the initial tangential velocity is [tex]v_0[/tex]. The rail exerts a frictional force [tex]\mu F_c[/tex] on the puck causing the velocity [tex]v(t)[/tex] to decrease with time, [tex]t[/tex]. The magnitude of the centripeal force is [tex]F_c[/tex] and [tex]\mu[/tex] is the coefficient of friction between the puck and the rail. The radius of the ice rink is [tex]R[/tex]. Assume there is no friction between the puck and the ice.

a) Calculate the speed [tex]v(t)[/tex] of the puck.
b) Calculate the total distance the puck will travel from t=0 to [tex]t=\infty[/tex], i.e. [tex]s=\int_0^\infty v(t)dt[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex]a_c=\frac{v(t)^2}{R}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]F_f=\mu F_c=\mu M a_c = \frac{\mu M v^2}{R}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dv}{dt}=-a_f=-\frac{F_f}{M}=-\frac{\mu v^2}{R}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dv}{v^2}=-\frac{\mu dt}{R}[/tex]
[tex]\int_{v0}^{v}\frac{dv}{v^2}=-\int_0^t\frac{\mu dt}{R}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{1}v-\frac{1}{v_0}=\frac{\mu t}{R}[/tex]
[tex]v=\frac{R v_0}{R+\mu v_0 t}[/tex]

Now this result must be incorrect, because
[tex]s=\int_0^{\infty}{\frac{R v_0}{R+\mu v_0 t}dt}=\frac{R}{\mu}\ln(R+\mu v_0 t)=\infty[/tex] ... nonsense

Where did I go wrong?
 
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confuted said:
Now this result must be incorrect, because
[tex]s=\int_0^{\infty}{\frac{R v_0}{R+\mu v_0 t}dt}=\frac{R}{\mu}\ln(R+\mu v_0 t)=\infty[/tex] ... nonsense

Where did I go wrong?

Hi confuted! :smile:

Looks ok to me …

if the speed goes down by 10, the deceleration goes down by 100 …

why shouldn't it travel infinitely far? :smile:
 
It just seems nonphysical -- are you sure I haven't made some mistake?
 
confuted said:
It just seems nonphysical -- are you sure I haven't made some mistake?

"nonphysical"? …

what about good ol' Newton's first law … isn't that physical??! :smile:

Physical things do carry on for ever unless there's some good reason not to! :biggrin:
 

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