Velocity/Acceleration - A Question So Simple.

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This discussion revolves around the concept of velocity and acceleration of a rolling ball over a specific time interval, particularly focusing on how to determine the velocity at a particular moment given an average velocity. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to motion under constant acceleration.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the final velocity of 4 ft/sec is determined, given that the average velocity over the first second is 2 ft/sec and the initial velocity is 0 ft/sec.
  • Another participant explains that to achieve an average of 2 m/s, the ball must be traveling 2 m/s above the average at the end of the time interval, resulting in a final velocity of 4 m/s.
  • A third participant reiterates the initial question and suggests that the velocity is rising linearly with time, providing a mathematical approach to derive the acceleration and final velocity using kinematic equations.
  • This participant calculates the acceleration to be 4 ft/s² and confirms the final velocity as 4 ft/s using the appropriate formulas.
  • A fourth participant expresses gratitude for the explanations provided, indicating a clearer understanding of the concepts discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to determine the final velocity and the underlying principles of motion, but there is no explicit consensus on the initial question regarding the determination of the final velocity of 4 ft/sec, as it is framed within different contexts and explanations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the ball's motion, such as the assumption of linear acceleration and the conditions under which the average velocity is calculated. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of the initial conditions and the implications of the average velocity over the time interval.

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Okay, I was reading "Understanding Physics" and I was understanding everything until I got to this:

What is the velocity of a rolling ball at a paticular moment? Consider the first second of time. During that second the ball has been rolling at an average velocity of 2 ft/sec. It began that first second of time at a slower velocity. In fact, since it started at rest, the velocity at the beginning (after 0 seconds, in other words) was 0 ft/sec. To get the average up to 2ft/sec, the ball must reach correspondingly higher velocities in the second half of the time interval. If we assume that the velocity is rising smoothly with time, it follows that if the velocity at the beginning of the time interval was 2 ft/sec less than average, then at the end of the time interval (after one second), it should be 2 ft/sec more than average, or 4 ft/sec.

What I don't understand is how did was 4 ft/sec determined.
 
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The average velocity for the time interval was 2 m/s, at the beginning of the time interval the velocity was 0 m/s, to average 2m/s it must be traveling faster then the average at the end of time interval, in fact it must be as much above average at the end as it was below average at the begining. It was 2m/s below average at the start of the time interval so it must be 2m/s above average at the end of the interval, thus 4m/s.
 
bewildered said:
Okay, I was reading "Understanding Physics" and I was understanding everything until I got to this:

What is the velocity of a rolling ball at a paticular moment? Consider the first second of time. During that second the ball has been rolling at an average velocity of 2 ft/sec. It began that first second of time at a slower velocity. In fact, since it started at rest, the velocity at the beginning (after 0 seconds, in other words) was 0 ft/sec. To get the average up to 2ft/sec, the ball must reach correspondingly higher velocities in the second half of the time interval. If we assume that the velocity is rising smoothly with time, it follows that if the velocity at the beginning of the time interval was 2 ft/sec less than average, then at the end of the time interval (after one second), it should be 2 ft/sec more than average, or 4 ft/sec.

What I don't understand is how did was 4 ft/sec determined.
The stuff you quoted was very strange. Anyhow, I think they mean "velocity is rising linearly with time." If something goes at an average of 2 ft/sec for one second, then it travels 2 ft. Now, in this case, it's not traveling at a constant velocity, it starts at zero velocity, and has a constant acceleration such that at the end of one second, it has traveled an average of 2 ft/sec. So, what do we know?

[tex]\vec{a}\ =\ ?[/tex]
[tex]\vec{v}_{init}\ =\ 0\ ft/s\ [forward][/tex]
[tex]\vec{\Delta d}\ =\ 2\ ft\ [forward][/tex]
[tex]\Delta t\ =\ 1\ s[/tex]

Solve for acceleration using the formula:

[tex]\Delta d\ =\ v_{init}\Deltat\ +\ \frac{1}{2}a\Delta t^2[/tex]
[tex]a\ =\ 4\ \frac{ft}{s^2}[/tex]

Now, find the final velocity using the formula:

[tex]v_{final}^2\ =\ v_{init}^2\ +\ 2a\Delta d[/tex]
[tex]v_{final}\ =\ 4\ \frac{ft}{s}[/tex]

If you want to be technical:

[tex]\vec{v}_{final}\ =\ 4\ \frac{ft}{s}\ [forward][/tex]
 
Integral & AKG thanks for thank-you for the explanations, they both were extremely helpful. I understand what the text was trying to explain now.
 

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