Is the Universe Finite or Infinite?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether the universe is finite or infinite, exploring theoretical implications, observational evidence, and the nature of causality. Participants share insights, references, and personal inquiries related to cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that if the universe is infinite, it either must have been created that way, which challenges causality, or it has been expanding forever, also complicating causal tracing.
  • Others suggest that the universe appears flat based on measurements of the cosmic microwave background, leading to the simplest assumption that it is infinite in spatial extent.
  • A participant notes that while the flatness of the universe supports the infinite model, it has not been definitively proven, and distinguishing between an infinite universe and a very large finite universe with slight curvature remains challenging.
  • Some contributions include links to cosmology FAQs from reputable sources, discussing how an infinite universe could have originated from a singularity at the Big Bang.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of an infinite universe, particularly regarding causality and observational evidence. The discussion does not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views remaining on the nature of the universe's extent.

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Limitations include unresolved assumptions about the nature of curvature and the implications of observational data on the universe's finiteness or infiniteness.

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Please I know that this question has ben asked many times, but I really need to get an answer on it. It's urgent.

Is the universe finite or infinite ?

If there is another thread discussing the question, please post the link.
Also any other link poiting to a relevant website is appreciated.

Thank you all for your time.
 
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In order for the universe to be infinite in extent, it would either have to be created that way in which case it cannot be traced to a cause and so causality is broken. Or it must have been expanding forever in which case we cannot trace it back to a cause. In either case, an infinite universe violates causality.
 
Bringo said:
Is the universe finite or infinite ?

If there is another thread discussing the question, please post the link.
Also any other link poiting to a relevant website is appreciated.
...

you might enjoy these two websites which have
cosmology FAQ

Ned Wright (teaches graduate and undergrad cosmology courses at UCLA)
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html

Eric Linder (similar standing at Berkeley, college textbook on cosmology)
http://supernova.lbl.gov/~evlinder/umass/faq.html

At Linder's site, see his answer to the frequently asked question
"How could an infinite universe have been, say, the size of a golf ball?"

At Wright's site, he answers the FAQ
"How can the Universe be infinite if it was all concentrated into a point at the Big Bang?"

the main scientific observation is that the U does not appear curved at large scale
measurements using the microwave background indicate that the curvature is either exactly zero or very close to zero
it is so surprisingly flat that the simplest thing to assume is that it is exactly flat (but there is no way of being sure at present which is true, flat or within a percent or so)

if the U is flat (i.e. zero curvature) then by far the simplest model with that property is that it is infinite in spatial extent

this is consistent with the observations made so far, no reputable cosmologist will exclude the possibility and in fact it is the prevailing notion
(which is why Linder and Wright take care to explain it) BUT
it has not been proven

it is very difficult to distinguish, with telescopes and suchlike gear, between the case of an infinite uncurved universe and
the case of a very enormous universe with a very small positive curvature
where it goes out way way beyond the farthest we can see, so to us it looks flat, but then curves around and closes with itself so it is after all finite.

however you can't go wrong if you assume PROVISIONALLY that it is infinite because that agrees with the observations and is overall the simplest model

you are right, we have had several threads about this at PF
maybe you could find them by using the keyword search option at the top
 
Check out an article on Space.com that attempts to answer that very question.
 
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Thx a lot, I am grateful to all of you
 

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