Non-uniform universe model with expansion and simultaneous compression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a proposed model of the universe characterized as a non-uniform, fluid-like entity that experiences both expansion and contraction. Participants explore the implications of this model, including its potential infinite nature and the absence of a traditional Big Bang scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant visualizes the universe as a "wobbly mass of gooey fluid," suggesting that this model allows for perceived accelerated expansion and varying redshift/blueshift depending on the observer's location.
  • Another participant questions the analogy of a fluid universe, pointing out that a "wobbly mass" would imply a well-defined edge, which raises concerns about the model's implications for observers within it.
  • A participant clarifies that their model allows for infinite characteristics and does not posit a beginning or end in time, suggesting it could be termed "local expansion theory."
  • Further clarification is provided that the model envisions an infinite fluid, addressing the edge concern raised earlier.
  • Another participant introduces a different local model involving local infinitesimal motion (LIM), discussing the dynamics of potential and kinetic mass and how they relate to the universe's expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the fluid model, particularly regarding the existence of edges and the nature of infinity. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing ideas presented without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the challenges of conceptualizing infinity and the universe's boundaries, which may limit the discussion's scope. The relationship between the proposed models and established physical principles is also not fully resolved.

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visualize a model of the whole universe as a wobbly mass of gooey fluid,
like a very loose jelly in zero gravity. A model of the universe with these
characteristics of a liquid would allow for the perception over time of
accelerated expansion within OUR time horizon.

therefore that same universe perceived from somewhere beyond our horizon,
may within their horizon appear to have redshift or blueshift, possibly
accelerating or decellerating, or patches of red and blue within the
horizon.

It is difficult to visually imagine this model whilst allowing for the time
it takes light to reach the viewer... but not impossible

such a unviverse would fluctuate in density within a range like a spongy
bouncy liquid so would need some kind of anitgravity or dark energy to
regulate that...

therefore no big bang, this model could be infinite also...

please tell what's wrong with this theory...
 
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"A wobbly mass of gooey fluid" would have a well-defined edge to it. Presumably at least some observers within it would be able to see the edge, as though it were some sort of cosmic wall off in the distance in a certain direction. That seems kind of strange to me. Or am I taking your analogy too literally?
 
dear janitor, wether the universe is infinite or not (wether it has an edge or not) is always hard to imagine, my theory leaves that issue wide open, I suspect we will never know what lies beyond the universe and we cannot imagine infinity so its not really worth worrying about.

to clarify one point: this model of the universe is basically a steady state with a random pulsing rhythm of localised expansion or contraction, so it has no beginning or end (in time).

I think this theory should be called local expansion theory... maybe I've just thought up something that's been disproved before, if anyone has heard of a similar theory please let me know... thnx ERIC
 
re. "A wobbly mass of gooey fluid" would have a well-defined edge to it."

maybe I should have said; visualise an INFINITE wobbly mass of gooey fluid...
 
eric,

I am working on a local model of the universe as the existence local infinitesimal motion (LIM) of one dimensional space. The symmetry and conservation of the LIM allow for two structures that are not topologically equivalent. One structure is the potential mass. One is the kinetic mass. The potential mass tends to coalesce although the Pauli Exclusion Principle prohibits this tendency of the potential mass. The kinetic mass tends to spreadout although the superposition principle says that they can come together. Each of these masses are doing the exact opposite of what the physical principles allow them to do.

The expansion of the universe can be seen as the effect of kinetic mass spreading out in all directions.
 

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