How Can We Integrate 1/(u*sqrt(1-u^2))?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function 1/(u*sqrt(1-u^2)), specifically in the context of integrating cosecant (cosec) functions. Participants explore various substitution methods and their implications for the integration process, raising questions about the correctness of specific substitutions and the resulting integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the substitution u = cos x for integrating cosec x, but express confusion about the validity of this approach, noting that it leads to incorrect results upon differentiation.
  • Others argue that the substitution should be u = sin x instead, asserting that the original substitution is flawed because cosec x is defined as 1/sin x, not cos x.
  • A participant points out that the integration process involves a non-equality that was incorrectly treated as an equality, which complicates the integration of the function.
  • Another participant suggests a special method involving multiplying by (cosec x - cot x) to simplify the integral, proposing a substitution that could lead to a more manageable form.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the integration process and seeks further clarification on how to integrate from the form 1/(u*sqrt(1-u^2)).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best substitution method for integrating cosec x, with multiple competing views on the validity of the proposed substitutions and integration techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various assumptions and potential mistakes in their substitutions, indicating that the integration process may depend heavily on the chosen variable and method. Some steps in the integration process are left unresolved, contributing to the ongoing debate.

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Int(cosec x)dx Let: u=cos x then: x=arcos u and: dx=-du/sqrt(1-u^2)

Int(cosec x)dx = -Int{1/sqrt(1-u^2)}^2}du = -Int {du/(1-u^2)}

= -(1/2)ln(1-u^2) + C

= -(1/2)ln(sin^[2]x) +C

= ln(cosec x) +C

Yet differentiating back gives -cot x.
Why does this substitution not work?
 
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speeding electron said:
Int(cosec x)dx Let: u=cos x then: x=arcos u and: dx=du/sqrt(1-u^2)

Int(cosec x)dx = Int{1/sqrt(1-u^2)}^2}du = Int {du/(1-u^2)}

=(1/2)ln(1-u^2) + C

=(1/2)ln(sin^[2]x) +C

=ln(sin x) +C

Yet differentiating back gives cot x.
Why does this substitution not work?


First:

[tex]csc x = \frac{1}{sin x}[/tex]

NOT cos x. So your substitution is wrong to begin with. If you correct that the integration should go like this:

[tex]u = sin x dx[/tex]

[tex]du = cos x dx[/tex]

[tex]sec x du = dx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-u^2}} du = dx[/tex]

So this makes the integral:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{u\sqrt{1-u^2}} du[/tex]

See if you can take it from there.
 
My query was concerning the substitution u = cos x , rather than u = sin x .

I did make a mistake, arcos x = -1/sqrt(1-x^2). I've edited my original post.
 
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speeding electron said:
My query was concerning the substitution u = cos x , rather than u = sin x .

I did make a mistake, arcos x = -1/sqrt(1-x^2). I've edited my original post.


That is the wrong substitution for integrating cosec(X).[tex]cosec(x) = \frac{1}{sin(x)}[/tex].
 
well your subsitution is didn't work because it is difficult to solve integration with assumption not being in the question
 
speeding electron said:
Int(cosec x)dx Let: u=cos x then: x=arcos u and: dx=-du/sqrt(1-u^2)

Int(cosec x)dx = -Int{1/sqrt(1-u^2)}^2}du = -Int {du/(1-u^2)}

= -(1/2)ln(1-u^2) + C

= -(1/2)ln(sin^[2]x) +C

= ln(cosec x) +C

Yet differentiating back gives -cot x.
Why does this substitution not work?

Because you make an equality out of the following non-equality:
[tex]-\int\frac{du}{1-u^{2}}\neq\frac{-1}{2}ln(1-u^{2})+C[/tex]
 
Fine, yes, sorry about that, me being stupid again...but that integral was getting annoying.
 
Help please

franznietzsche said:
First:

[tex]csc x = \frac{1}{sin x}[/tex]

NOT cos x. So your substitution is wrong to begin with. If you correct that the integration should go like this:

[tex]u = sin x dx[/tex]

[tex]du = cos x dx[/tex]

[tex]sec x du = dx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-u^2}} du = dx[/tex]

So this makes the integral:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{u\sqrt{1-u^2}} du[/tex]

See if you can take it from there.

I can't :(. I've spent most of this afternoon trying this question and some other one. I know I could just use the set result, but I want to understand it, and I don't see how to integrate that last result at all :(.
 
There is a special method to this.

[itex]\int \mathrm{cosec} x \ \mathrm{d}x[/itex]

If you multiply this by [itex]\frac {\mathrm{cosec} x - \cot x}{\mathrm{cosec} x - \cot x}[/itex] and simplify the numerator you will get an integral of...

[itex]\int \frac{\mathrm{cosec} ^2 x - \mathrm{cosec} x \cot x}{\mathrm{cosec} x - \cot x} \ \mathrm{d}x[/itex]

Substitute [itex]u = \mathrm{cosec} x - \cot x[/itex] and it should work out beautifully. Carry on from here and post back if you still need help. :smile:
 
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Thanks :)!

Thanks, that worked out really well :). I was wondering though, how would one work it out from the form

[tex]\int \frac{1}{u\sqrt{1-u^2}} du[/tex]

? Could anyone help me see how to integrate it from this?
 

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