What Makes Moles Essential in Understanding Chemistry?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of moles in chemistry, exploring potential project ideas for a science fair. Participants express interest in theoretical aspects of chemistry, particularly related to moles, and seek innovative project ideas that go beyond standard textbook material.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand how the number of atoms in a mole can be counted and seeks project ideas related to this concept.
  • Another participant suggests an experiment involving a balloon and boiling water to demonstrate the relationship between moles and gas volume, referencing the ideal gas law.
  • A different participant proposes exploring the history of the mole and mentions its perceived inefficiency in modern chemistry, particularly in pharmaceuticals.
  • One participant inquires about making soap from fats and references a movie for context, while also expressing curiosity about the potential for making explosives, though clarifying they are not serious about it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus on a specific project idea, and multiple competing views and suggestions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the practicality and safety of certain experiments, particularly those involving boiling water and steam. Additionally, there are varying opinions on the relevance and efficiency of the mole in modern chemistry.

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This discussion may be useful for students interested in chemistry projects, educators looking for innovative teaching methods, or anyone exploring the theoretical aspects of moles in chemistry.

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OK, I am relatively new to Chemistry, but our school is having a science fair competition soon, and my Chemistry teacher wants us all to do something. Since we are not seasoned warriors of practical Chemistry yet, we are not planning on making bombs, or anything as dangerous and complicated as that. Just to give you a scope of what we are capable of: we have already been acquainted with titration and qualitative analysis, identifying positive/negative ions, etc.

What we are really interested in, however, is a project involving the theory of Chemistry, preferably something that cannot be found in most Chemistry textbooks. We love moles. However, we do not understand how the number of atoms in a mole can be counted. Maybe we can do a project that let's us count moles? Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing some great ideas!
 
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I didn't look at it in too much detail, but http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~mkim/avogadro.htm seems to outline the procedure for an experiment that would allow you to find the number of atoms/molecules in a mole.
 
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If you take a balloon with a little bit of water in it, tie it up and put it in a microwave, the water boils to make steam, which inflates the balloon - this looks really neat.

The number of moles of water remains constant, but volume increases by about thousand times when a liquid becomes a gas. You can use the PV = nRT Gas equation to calculate the volume of one mole of water vapor. You can also calculate the volume of 1 mole of liquid water from the molecular weight (18gm==18cc). From these 2 equations you can figure out how much liquid to use to fill the balloon with say, 1 liter of vapor. The calculation adds to the the quality of the experiment.

WARNING : You want to be very careful with this. Start with less than the calculated amount of water. Remember, you are dealing with boiling water and steam. Don't leave the microwave on for more than a few seconds after the balloon inflates. Be really careful if you have to wipe off water, it could be very hot. After you've done the experiment, don't immediately grab the balloon with your fingers, you will get burned. Also, don't immediately put your face in front of the open microwave. There may be some real hot steam ready to come out. I strongly suggest you try this (if you even want to) first with adult supervision.

If you have any questions, send me a message.
 
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Great Ideas guys! I'll be trying them out after my exams. However, I would like to know about making soap from fats. I have a found a site online that teaches you how to make soaps, but do any of you have any suggestions as to which kind of fat is best? I watched Fight Club some time ago and they said Human Fat was pretty good? In the movie, the Brad Pitt character also says something about it being possible to make explosives from using just household items. Anyone care to tell me how this is done?

EDIT: Just in case some of you are worried, I'm not at all considering blowing up anything. It's just that not being in the know of making bombs (from household items) has been nagging me for a while.
 
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I suppose your project can be regarding the history of the mole. However, many chemist these days find the mole inefficient, especially in relevance to pharmaceuticals where such a large number (6.022...) is inconvenient since the latter deals with small numbers of molecules.

Going into depth in any theory will be somewhat complex. Here's a feasible one to work on. Read Van't Hoff's Nobel lecture

http://www.nobel.se/chemistry/laureates/1901/hoff-lecture.pdf

also

http://groups.msn.com/GeneralChemistryHomework/hoff.msnw


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