Single Phase Voltage from 3-Phase Line: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the voltage characteristics of single-phase lines derived from a three-phase line, specifically addressing the line-to-line voltage of a 25 kV three-phase system and its conversion to single-phase voltage. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of voltage distribution in electrical systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Louie questions whether the voltage of a single-phase line remains at 25 kV or drops to 14.4 kV when derived from a 25 kV three-phase line.
  • One participant states that typically, the line-to-neutral voltage is calculated as 14.4 kV, while the line-to-line voltage remains at 25 kV, indicating that the phases can split in various configurations.
  • Another participant clarifies that a single-phase line requires a neutral to create a complete circuit, asserting that the voltage differential between the line and neutral is +/- 14.4 kV.
  • Mahadev argues that for distribution purposes, only line voltages are typically used, and that the 25 kV will not be split directly into single-phase but will be stepped down first, with the single-phase voltage depending on transformer ratings.
  • A later reply discusses the common practices in urban and suburban areas in the USA regarding single-phase distribution and the use of a multiple grounded neutral (MGN) system, noting differences in European practices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the voltage characteristics of single-phase lines derived from three-phase systems, with no consensus reached on the exact voltage values or methods of distribution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about voltage definitions and distribution practices that may vary by region, as well as the implications of transformer ratings on single-phase voltage outputs.

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If I'm considering a 3 phase line (25kV line-to-line voltage) that comes to a point and splits into single phase lines, what is the line voltage of one of the single phase lines ?

Does it remain 25 kV or is it 14.4 kV because you're only dealing with 1 phase and a neutral now ?

Any explanation would be great

Louie
 
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Normally, they do not distribute L-N = Vl/sqrt(3)=14.4kV, only L-L =25kV. The phases can split AB, BC, CA. The single phase transformers convert 25K--> user voltage with the ground reference applied at the secondary neutral.
 
A single phase line by definition is a circuit with only one phase. So you need a neutral side to create a loop. The voltage differential between the line and the neutral is, of course, +/- 14.4 kV and not 25 kV.

If you use both line (AB, AC, or BC) ... I don't think that a single phase line. It may be within the category of two phase line :-)

aaNg
 
For distribution purpose only line voltages preferred so neutral is not used. And 25KV will not be splitted into single phase directly it will be step downed and than you will get a sinle phase line. sinle phase line voltage depends on the transformer rating.
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Mahadev
 
Actually, The main method of urban and suburban over head and URD is done single phase with line-neutra *in the usa*, europe is 3-phase secondary distribution 3-phases+ 2*line voltage = 8* the secondary line distance over the US, the neutral designation is MGN, or multiple grounded neutral, It is a lower wire of the four, or sometimes used as a top wire overhead shield in lightning prone areas. the L-N is used as the final distribution to the LNL +120 N -120 final use in typical residential apps.
 

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