Register to reply

How many zeros inside the disk?

by NoDoubts
Tags: disk, inside, zeros
Share this thread:
NoDoubts
#1
Feb3-09, 04:24 AM
P: 20
How many zeros inside the unit disk does the following function have?

f(z) = 3 z^621 - e^z. (in words, three times z to the power 621 minus e^z :)

...argument principle answers this question, but I have a problem evaluating the integral of
f'(z)/f(z).
Phys.Org News Partner Science news on Phys.org
New model helps explain how provisions promote or reduce wildlife disease
Stress can make hard-working mongooses less likely to help in the future
Grammatical habits in written English reveal linguistic features of non-native speakers' languages
NoDoubts
#2
Feb3-09, 08:24 PM
P: 20
this is problem 7 from here http://www.math.umass.edu/~hajir/m621/m621hw6.pdf

anyone?
adriank
#3
Feb3-09, 11:54 PM
P: 534
In general,
[tex]\frac{d}{dz} \ln f(z) = \frac{f'(z)}{f(z)}.[/tex]

Hurkyl
#4
Feb4-09, 12:17 AM
Emeritus
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
Hurkyl's Avatar
P: 16,099
How many zeros inside the disk?

Quote Quote by NoDoubts View Post
but I have a problem evaluating the integral of
f'(z)/f(z).
Where, exactly, are you having trouble?
NoDoubts
#5
Feb4-09, 01:12 AM
P: 20
Quote Quote by adriank View Post
In general,
[tex]\frac{d}{dz} \ln f(z) = \frac{f'(z)}{f(z)}.[/tex]
sure. and how does it help?
NoDoubts
#6
Feb4-09, 01:17 AM
P: 20
Quote Quote by Hurkyl View Post
Where, exactly, are you having trouble?
well, f'(z)/f(z) = (1863*z^620 - e^z}) / (3*z^621 - e^z).

Now, we need to integrate that along the contour C. I've tried to integrate it directly by setting z = e^{theta*i) where 0 < theta <= 2pi , but got stuck.
NoDoubts
#7
Feb4-09, 09:27 PM
P: 20
anyone?
adriank
#8
Feb4-09, 09:29 PM
P: 534
Quote Quote by adriank View Post
In general,
[tex]\frac{d}{dz} \ln f(z) = \frac{f'(z)}{f(z)}.[/tex]
I thought this was hint enough. An antiderivative of [tex]f'(z)/f(z)[/tex] is [tex]\ln f(z) = \ln(3z^{621} - e^z)[/tex].

Am I missing something?
NoDoubts
#9
Feb4-09, 09:42 PM
P: 20
yes. this is obvious, but how does it answer the question?
what we need to do is, according to argument principle, to calculate an integral on closed countour which is unit circle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_principle
adriank
#10
Feb4-09, 10:34 PM
P: 534
Maybe the argument principle isn't what you should be using?
NoDoubts
#11
Feb4-09, 11:35 PM
P: 20
do you know how else I can solve this problem?
adriank
#12
Feb5-09, 12:00 AM
P: 534
I cheated a bit and made some plots, but it looks like 3zn - ez has n zeros in the unit disk, and they look like they're nearish to the zeros of zn - 1. It looks like you have to use the fact that e < 3, since replacing the constant 3 with any number greater than e gives the same number of zeros. If you replace it with e, then you get a zero at z = 1.
NoDoubts
#13
Feb5-09, 12:09 AM
P: 20
yep. I think I nailed it by Rouche's theorem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rouch%C3%A9's_theorem

you can majorize the |3zn - ez | by the |7*z^n| on the unit circle |z|=1, then the result follows.
adriank
#14
Feb5-09, 12:11 AM
P: 534
Looks like that does it. :)

I just started taking a complex analysis course, so unfortunately I'm not very well-informed with regards to that stuff. Glad you solved it, though.
NoDoubts
#15
Feb5-09, 12:12 AM
P: 20
cheers. now I can move on relieved :)
Hurkyl
#16
Feb5-09, 12:18 AM
Emeritus
Sci Advisor
PF Gold
Hurkyl's Avatar
P: 16,099
For the record, adriank's earlier hint would have let you directly compute the contour integral... except for the sticky problem that the value of the integrand wraps around the origin (621 times!), and thus must cross a branch cut (621 times), so the straightforward thing wouldn't work.

Of course, if you could prove that it wraps around the origin exactly 621 times, and thus crosses the branch cut 621 times, you could take advantage of the fact you know exactly how big the discontinuity is, and so you still could make a direct calculation of the contour integral.


Register to reply

Related Discussions
Field inside a cavity inside a conductor Introductory Physics Homework 3
Hadamard product and density of zeros inside the critical strip.. Linear & Abstract Algebra 0
If ia charge is placed inside a conductor, is the electric field inside zero? Introductory Physics Homework 1
How can I show f(x)=x2-cosx=0 has exactly 2 solutions? Calculus 8