Rates of change - confused (again)

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The discussion revolves around the rates of change of a cube's surface area as its volume increases over time. Participants explore the relationship between volume and surface area, applying calculus concepts such as derivatives and the chain rule to derive the rate of change of surface area with respect to time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that to find the rate of change of surface area (S) with respect to time (t), they need to differentiate S with respect to volume (V) and then apply the chain rule.
  • Another participant suggests using the chain rule directly to differentiate S with respect to t, utilizing the known rate of change of volume (dV/dt).
  • A participant calculates the week when the cube's side length reaches 7 inches and attempts to find the corresponding rate of change of surface area at that time.
  • There are discussions about the correct application of the chain rule, with one participant providing a reformulation of the function to aid in differentiation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of consistent notation and clarifies the relationship between the derivatives of surface area and volume.
  • A later reply presents an alternative method to derive the rate of change of surface area, showing calculations that lead to a specific numerical result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the use of the chain rule while others struggle with specific calculations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best method, as participants explore different perspectives and techniques.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding notation and the application of the chain rule, indicating potential misunderstandings in the mathematical steps involved. There are also unresolved issues related to the manual calculation of derivatives.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals studying calculus, particularly those interested in applications of derivatives in geometric contexts, as well as those seeking clarification on the chain rule and related concepts.

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Imagine a cube that 'grows' by five cubic inches per week. How fast is its surface area increasing when the length of one of its sides is seven inches?

I know that the derivative of volume (V) with respect to time (t) is 5, e.g:

[tex]\frac{dV}{dt} = 5[/tex]

To calculate the surface area of a cube from a given volume I would use:

[tex]S=6(\sqrt[3]{V})^2[/tex]

Therefore, would I need to calculate the derivate of S with respect to V in order to reach my goal of deriving S with respect to t?

Or am I going totally in the wrong direction?
 
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Differentiate S with respect to t, by using the chain rule.
Use your knowledge of V and dV/dt to calculate how fast the surface area changes.
 
Thanks Arildno,

I have been thinking about this more clearly...

1. I know the cube is growing at [tex]5in^2[/tex] per week.

2. This can be represented as [tex]5x[/tex] (where x is the week number)

3. I need to figure out the week where the length is 7 inches. Solving [tex]\sqrt[3]{5x} = 7[/tex], I find that the week is 68.6

4. Therefore, I need to find the cube surface area's rate of change at week 68.6 - represented as: [tex]6(\sqrt[3]{5x})^2[/tex]

Plugging this into my calculator returns a rate of [tex]2.857in^2[/tex] per week. This is the correct answer I was looking for! Hurrah!

However, I have been trying to calculate the derivative manually without much success. I have been using the chain rule:

I am taking [tex]f(x)=6x^2[/tex] and [tex]g(x)=\sqrt[3]{5x}[/tex]. I understand I need to take the derivate of f(x) and g(x) as follows - [tex]f'(g(x))g'(x)[/tex]. I can calculate [tex]f'(x)=12(\sqrt[3]{5x})[/tex] but I cannot get [tex]g'(x)[/tex]. I'm totally stumped when trying to derive this. Any hints...?
 
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Write g(x) like this:
[tex]g(x)=\sqrt[3]{5x}=5^{\frac{1}{3}}x^{\frac{1}{3}}[/tex]

Does that help?
 
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Sorry about that - I kept screwing up my Latex formatting. I have edited my post it should be correct now..
 
Your not alone in this..
I've posted a hint, I don't know if you find it sufficient, though..
 
crookesm,

I think the notation you're using is getting you confused. Stick with V for volume and S for surface area. You're trying to find dS/dt. According to the chain rule:

dS/dt = dS/dV*dV/dt

You have equations for S(V) and V(t), so you can find those deriviatives.

Does that help?
 
Here's another way,

[tex]\frac {dV} {dt} = \frac {d} {dt} (a^3) = 3a^2 \frac {da} {dt} = 5[/tex]
[tex]=> \frac {da} {dt} = 5/(3*7*7)[/tex]

And
[tex]\frac {dS} {dt} =\frac {d} {dt} (6a^2) = 12a \frac {da} {dt} = \frac {12*7*5} {3*7*7}=20/7=2.857[/tex]
 

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