Beta+ Decay in Z>N Nuclei: Pauli Term Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the peculiar patterns observed in beta-plus decay for nuclei where the atomic number (Z) is slightly greater than the neutron number (N). Participants explore whether these patterns can be explained using the Pauli Term from the Weizsäcker formula, focusing on the implications for decay energy and half-life characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a peculiar pattern in beta-plus decay for nuclei with Z slightly greater than N and questions if this is justified by the Pauli Term in the Weizsäcker formula.
  • Another participant points out that for nuclei where Z=N+1, the Pauli Term is zero, suggesting that only the electromagnetic term contributes to decay energy.
  • It is mentioned that plotting log(energy) versus log(half-life) reveals two distinct slopes, indicating different behaviors based on the relationship between Z and N.
  • Participants discuss the potential existence of different groupings in half-life data depending on whether Z is greater or smaller than N, with one grouping showing no dependence on atomic number A.
  • One participant expresses intrigue about the differences in half-life dependence on energy based on whether the beta decay involves a transition to a lower or upper neutron shell.
  • Graphs are shared that illustrate the observed patterns, with one graph showing decay time versus mass number and another showing log(energy) versus log(half-life).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the implications of the observed patterns in beta-plus decay, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the explanations for these phenomena and their dependence on nuclear structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the differences in half-life and energy dependence may not be well-documented in textbooks, indicating a potential gap in existing literature.

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I have just noticed that the nuclei with Z slightly greater than N have a peculiar pattern of b+ decay. Do someone know if this is justified from the Pauli Term of Weizsaecker formula?

Just I hope I have not found another unknown phenomena :-)


[EDITED:] The phenomena is more apparent for Z=N+1, but just for these nuclei the Pauli Term [tex]{(N-Z)^2\over A}[/tex] is zero, and only the EM term [tex]Z^2/A^{1/3}[/tex] contributes to decay energy.
 
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arivero said:
I have just noticed that the nuclei with Z slightly greater than N have a peculiar pattern of b+ decay. Do someone know if this is justified from the Pauli Term of Weizsaecker formula?

Just I hope I have not found another unknown phenomena :-)


[EDITED:] The phenomena is more apparent for Z=N+1, but just for these nuclei the Pauli Term [tex]{(N-Z)^2\over A}[/tex] is zero, and only the EM term [tex]Z^2/A^{1/3}[/tex] contributes to decay energy.

What is peculiar about what you see?
 
Well, for instance if you plot log(energy) vs log(halflife) you will notice that the data points adjust to two clearly distinct slopes.

Or, if you plot log(halflife), or halflife directly, versus atomic number A, you can notice two different groupings, depending of Z being greater or smaller than N. One of them does not present dependence on A, but the other clearly depends on A (or Z or N if you prefer).
 
Can you post the graphs or a link to them?
 
I'll try to upload some plot tomorrow Monday from the fac.

I think I could cope with the existence of a dependence Energy(AtomicNumber) for Z=N+1 even if the EM term does not fit well, because the dropplet model has another terms, such as [tex]Z^2 A^{1/3}[/tex], that could take responsability for this.

I am more intrigued about the difference in the dependence HalfLife(Energy) depending if the beta decay occurs for Z>=N or Z<N, ie, if the decaying proton goes to a lower neutron shell or to an upper one. It is not unexpected, but I would like to heard if people is usually able to get some properties of beta decay from this. Of course, the first step is to know if textbooks report this difference.
 
Here are the plots

Hoping moderator approval, here are the plots I was speaking about. The second one, bpluslogT(A).jpg , shows decay time versus mass number for all the beta rays with intensity greater than 50%. The first one show log(E) versus Log(T), and the lower cluster corresponds very well to the hiperbole in the former plot.

I should say we are seeing the typical clusterings depending on if the transition is superallowed, allowed, etcetera... (a senior has been kind enough to partly confirm this). But still, it is impressive.
 

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