Troubleshooting Simple Equilibrium Problems on Inclined Surfaces - 2.0 kg Block

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The problem involves a block of mass 2.0 kg held in equilibrium on an inclined surface at an angle of 60 degrees, with a horizontal force acting on it. Participants are discussing how to determine the magnitude of the horizontal force and the normal force exerted by the incline, while ignoring friction.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the block by breaking them down into components, specifically using mgsin(theta) and mgcos(theta). They express confusion regarding the horizontal force and the normal force.
  • Some participants suggest using vector components along the incline rather than horizontal and vertical components, questioning the treatment of the normal force.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and suggestions for alternative approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the forces involved, particularly regarding the components of the normal force and the horizontal force.

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There is a noted difficulty in understanding the application of force components, and the original poster expresses frustration despite being a physics major. The discussion includes hints and attempts to clarify the setup without providing direct solutions.

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This problem is probably very simple, but it is giving me a lot of trouble. I'm hoping someone could explain it to me. The problem is, as follows:

A block of mass 2.0 kg is held in equilibrium on an incline of angle theta=60 degrees by the horizontal force F.
a)Determine the value of F, the magnitude of F.
b)Determine the normal force exerted by the incline on the block (ignore friction).

The answers are:
a)33.9 N
b)39.2 N

I don't know how to arrive at these answers. Thank you to everyone to takes the time to read this.
 
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Hint:
the tangent vector along the inclined plane is:
[tex]\vec{t}=\cos\theta\vec{i}+\sin\theta\vec{j}[/tex]
The normal vector is given by:
[tex]\vec{n}=-\sin\theta\vec{i}+\cos\theta\vec{j}[/tex]
Hence, we may write:
[tex]\vec{i}=\cos\theta\vec{t}-\sin\theta\vec{n}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{j}=\cos\theta\vec{n}+\sin\theta\vec{t}[/tex]
 
Still having trouble

Hi!
Thanks for the reply. I tried to use the information you gave me and I'm still not understanding. This is sad because I am majoring in physics. I'll explain how I'm trying to solve the problem and maybe someone can tell me where I'm making the mistake.
Ok, I broke it down into the components mgsin(theta) and mgcos(theta). I'm trying to solve for the horizontal force, so after drawing the force diagram I am left with
Fx=F-mgsin(theta)=0
Fy=n-mgcos=0
I know I am making the mistake somewhere around here, but I don't have a clue where, because I don't see what other forces(excluding friction as it's irrelevant here) come into play.
 
KT said:
Fx=F-mgsin(theta)=0
Fy=n-mgcos=0
I know I am making the mistake somewhere around here, but I don't have a clue where, because I don't see what other forces(excluding friction as it's irrelevant here) come into play.
You are treating the normal force as if it has no horizontal component. The normal force is perpendicular to the surface, so it has both vertical and horizontal components.

While it's perfectly OK to use vertical and horizontal components to analyze this problem, I'll bet you'll find things easier by taking components parallel and perpendicular to the surface of the incline. Try it.
 
Note that we have:
[tex]\vec{W}=-mg\vec{j}=-mg(\cos\theta\vec{n}+\sin\theta\vec{t})[/tex]
[tex]\vec{F}=F\vec{i}=F(-\sin\theta\vec{n}+\cos\theta\vec{t})[/tex]
 

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