Can General Relativity Explain the Universe's Expansion and Time?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between general relativity, the expansion of the universe, and the nature of time. Participants explore theoretical models, including the concept of a hyperspherical universe and its implications for time and space behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that time passes due to the expansion of the universe, proposing that if expansion ceases, time would stop.
  • Another point raised is that if the universe's shape is not perfect, the passage of time could vary in different regions of the universe.
  • A claim is made that in the event of a big crunch, time would stop at the center of the universe.
  • It is proposed that the concept of "rapid" or "slow" expansion may not be meaningful if time is tied to expansion.
  • Participants express interest in the idea of deformations in the sphere's surface leading to unusual phenomena in time and space.
  • One participant introduces the notion that time may be 'imaginary' in a mathematical sense, suggesting a deeper relationship between time and spatial dimensions.
  • A refinement is suggested regarding the model of an expanding universe, questioning how we can observe expansion if time is already accounted for as part of the model.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative model of the universe as an onion with concentric shells rather than a simple expanding bubble.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement on the intriguing nature of the proposed models, but there are also competing views regarding the nature of time and the structure of the universe. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of time and its relationship to spatial dimensions are not fully explored, and there are unresolved mathematical implications regarding the models discussed.

Pietro
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As we know for general relativity theory we live in a universe with (at
least) 4 dimensions, 3 directions and time. If we think that time must be
in 90° with other dimensions we can imagine the universe as a hypersphere
with time as radius. Make it easier and simpler and cut one dimension (not
time) and we have a universe that is an expanding sphere. (all we can see
is in the surface of the sphere).
This view can lead to a bunch of conclusions, some interesting, some weird:
1) First of all, time passes because of universe expansion. If axpansions
cease then time stops.
2) If the sphere is not perfect, the time since born of the universe could
be not the same in different parts of the universe.
3) In the case of a big crunch, there must be and end in a singularity,
because no matter the shape of the universe, when a region reach the center
of the sphere time stops for that region.
4) There is no sense to talk about "rapid" or "slow" expansion of the
universe because point 1.
5) It is fun to think about different possibilities of deformations in the
sphere surface that leads to extrange phenomena in time and space behavior.
Sorry about my english, I am not native english speaker.
What do you think?
Regards
 
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Pietro said:
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5) It is fun to think about different possibilities of deformations in the
sphere surface that leads to extrange phenomena in time and space behavior.
Sorry about my english, I am not native english speaker.
What do you think?
Regards

I agree with point 5), this does sound like fun.
I think your english is OK

Look at Carlo Rovelli's homepage:
http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~rovelli/rovelli.html
He is a world expert on certain questions about space and time.

If you live in Italy you could do me a favor
which is to find out if a new book by rovelli is available at
either the book store or the public library (biblioteca publica).
this new book exists only in Italian and it is called

Che cos' e lo spazio? Che cos' e il tempo?

there is a link about this book on the homepage, that tells who
the publisher is. I think the publisher is Di Renzo. It costs about 8 Euro.

I am curious to know if this is a good book and if it is available now.

(he also has a new, bigger, more expensive book in English but I am not
asking about that.)
 
Sorry, I do not live in Italy, I am far away in the southern hemisphere.
I live in Argentina :smile:
 
I suggest to you a book by physicist Julian Barbour called "The End of Time"
The question if time even exist is a philosophical question that goes back before the birht of Christ. Time can be defined as the measurement of bodies in motion or an observation of change. In either case, time is psychic in origin.
 
Your suggestion of a model of the hyper-spherical universe with radial time is very intriguing and has been the basis of my research for many years. However there are two refinements that have to be made. Time is not just at 90° to the other dimensions, it is also 'imaginary' in the mathematical sense. In the metrics of special and general relativity the coefficient of the time coordinate is multiplied by the square root of minus one relative to the other three space dimensions. If you think about it if time is a dimension then it is intuitively obvious that it is not exactly the same as the other space dimensions; according to Einstein it bears the same mathematical relationship to them as the imaginary numbers do to the real, and that makes a lot of sense. The second refinement is the problem in imagining this expanding model. To see it expand we have to observe it over a period of - 'time'! Yet surely time has been already accounted for as the radius of the model? Once we step outside our normal experience of time and think about space-time then we are 'playing God' and observing all of time past-present-future as a 'block'. Perhaps we are then in another, a second, time dimension? Rather than an expanding bubble perhaps the model is one of an onion with many concentric shells. You may like to read the short section "A novel representation of space-time geometry" in my last paper "Self Creation Cosmology An Alternative Gravitational Theory", which can be found at http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0405094 .
 

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