Solving Dipole in a Sphere: Charge Distribution on Sphere's Surface

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The discussion revolves around finding the charge distribution on the surface of a sphere with a dipole located at its center, such that the resulting potential outside the sphere is zero. Participants explore theoretical approaches and mathematical formulations related to the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jonas proposes that the surface charge density, σ(r, φ, θ), depends only on the polar angle θ and suggests a form for σ(θ) to cancel the dipole's electric field.
  • Another participant mentions the relationship between surface charge density and the normal component of the electric field, indicating that the surface charge must counteract the dipole's field.
  • Jonas calculates a specific form for σ(θ) but later finds a discrepancy with a professor's solution, which includes a different coefficient (3 instead of 2).
  • Reilly Atkinson provides a derivation related to the dipole moment of the sphere, supporting the professor's result and clarifying the correct coefficient.
  • Jonas acknowledges the error in his initial approach and expresses understanding of the correct solution after the discussion.
  • A later reply from Reilly Atkinson notes a missing minus sign in the dipole moment, which could affect the interpretation of the results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct form of the surface charge density, as Jonas's initial proposal conflicts with the professor's solution. The discussion reflects differing interpretations and calculations regarding the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in deriving the surface charge density and the implications of the dipole moment's sign. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific mathematical formulations and interpretations.

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Hi,

I have problems solving this:
Given: A sphere(Radius R) with a mathematical dipole in its center. I have to find the charge distribution on the sphere´s surface,

[tex]\sigma(r,\phi,\theta)[/tex]

so that the resulting potential is zero for r>R. I think that
[tex]\sigma(r,\phi,\theta)=\sigma(\theta)[/tex]
,but I have no idea how to find this special charge distribution(I suppose it is unique). I know the electric field of a dipole, but that doesn´t help much.
If anybody has an idea, please tell me!
Greets
Jonas
 
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Superposition. There is a relationship between surface charge density and the normal component of the electric field that it generates. The dipole will also generate an electric field with a component normal to the sphere. You want the field of your surface charge to cancel the field for the dipole.

It is as you say: the surface charge density depends only on the polar angle.

To find the field due to the dipole, you can either look it up, or do a limit as a -> 0 and qa = constant, where a is the separation between two equal and opposite charges, q and -q.
 
Hi,

thanks for the answer.
The normal component of the dipole field is
[tex]E_r=\frac{qd 2 cos(\theta)}{4\pi\epsilon_0 r^3}[/tex]
So I thought of choosing

[tex]\sigma(\theta)=-\frac{qd 2 cos(\theta)}{4\pi R^3}[/tex]

then the normal component should be canceled out according to the following law:

[tex]n(E_o-E_i)=\frac{\sigma}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

where E_o is the normal component outside(=0) and E_i the normal component inside. n is the unit normal vector.

But one professor of our university solved this problem too and he has the following result:

[tex]\sigma(\theta)=-\frac{qd 3 cos(\theta)}{4\pi R^3}[/tex]

He has a 3 instead of a 2, so my solution seems to be wrong.
So I´m still confused:(
Jonas
 
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The dipole moment of a sphere with radius R and a dipole charge distribution of C0=D0 * cos(theta) is (4pi/3)(R**3)D0. (this follows from the standard integral for a dipole moment) If this is to be equal and opposite to the original dipole moment, p0, then


D0 = p0 (3/4pi)/R**3

So the 3 is correct.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
Ok, thanks!

I see now that my first way to solve the problem was wrong.
Ciao
Jonas
 
Jonas -- Sorry , I fogot the minus sign in the sphere's dipole moment. RA
 
No prob,
I got the idea of your solution, so I noticed that on my own.
Jonas
 

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