Atomic Radius of H & He: Why is H Larger?

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The discussion centers around the atomic radii of hydrogen and helium, specifically why the calculated atomic radius of hydrogen is larger than that of helium. Participants explore the implications of nuclear charge and electron configuration on atomic size, as well as the challenges in measuring atomic radii.

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  • One participant questions why hydrogen, with a single proton, has a larger atomic radius (53 pm) compared to helium (31 pm), which has two protons.
  • Another participant suggests that the size of the nucleus has minimal impact on the overall size of the atom, which is primarily determined by the number of electrons.
  • It is proposed that helium's electrons are in the same orbital as hydrogen's single electron, leading to a smaller radius due to the increased nuclear charge pulling the electrons closer.
  • Participants note that defining the 'radius' of an atom is complex and that atomic radii are often calculated rather than measured due to the difficulties in measurement.
  • One participant mentions that atomic radius increases significantly only when a new electron shell is added, using lithium as an example of a dramatic increase in size.

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Participants express differing views on the factors influencing atomic size, particularly regarding the role of nuclear charge and electron configuration. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the implications of these factors.

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Participants acknowledge the challenges in measuring atomic radii accurately, suggesting that calculations are often more reliable than measurements. The discussion also highlights the complexity in defining atomic size.

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Question, sorry if it already answered:

See this link:
http://www.wacklepedia.com/h/hy/hydrogen.html

Question is, why is calculated atomic radius of hydrogen (53 pm) LARGER than calculated radius of helium (31 pm) ? How can a single proton have larger radius than helium which has two proton ?

Also, why nobody yet measure the atomic radius of helium, why it still only 'calculated'--seems like a Ph.D. dissertation project that should have been done years ago ?
 
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Well, first, the size of the nucleus has almost zero impact on the "size" of the atom, which is due to the number of electrons.

Second, as I explained recently in this post in a thread farther down, the exact 'radius' of an atom is a notoriously difficult to define concept. They're not tiny hard spheres!

The answer to why helium is smaller is that both of helium's electrons are in the same orbital as the single electron of hydrogen (the 1s orbital), so it's radius does not expand much from having the second electron. However, the doubled nuclear charge causes both electrons to move closer to the nucleus.

Here's what the radial charge distribution looks like for hydrogen: (in units of Bohr radiuses)

And for helium (same scale):
29p6iox.png


As you can see, it's very nearly the same curve, only the helium one has been 'compressed', radially.

Both of these curves are calculated (the helium compares some approximate methods to the exact value). The reason why the values are calculated is simple: Atomic radii can be calculated much more exactly than they can be measured.

The radius of atoms only really increases substantially when you start a new shell, e.g. the next step, lithium, is quite dramatic. Which is why most metal atoms (d-orbital elements) have about the same radius. And can therefore mix with each other in crystals and form alloys.
 
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Note in the first plot above that the radial wave function for a hydrogen-like atom is of the form
e-2Zr/a0
where a0 is a fundamental constant = Bohr radius = 529 pm. So the "Bohr radius" of an atom of charge Z is 539/Z p m.
The Bohr radius = 1372 times the classical electron radius re.
 
Thanks very much for the detailed reply.
 

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