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The thread discusses the series representation of the function sin(x)/x, including its convergence properties, as well as the convergence of a related series and various integrals involving trigonometric functions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploratory problem-solving.

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  • Some participants propose that the series for sin(x)/x can be derived by dividing the series representation of sin(x) by x, leading to a series expansion.
  • There is a discussion on finding the radius and interval of convergence for the series sin(x)/x, with one participant suggesting the use of the ratio test.
  • One participant calculates the limit of n divided by the sum of a series involving 1/k(k+2) and suggests it diverges to infinity.
  • Another participant clarifies that the limit should be evaluated for existence rather than convergence, while agreeing on the convergence of the series itself.
  • There are inquiries about the evaluation of integrals involving trigonometric functions, with participants discussing substitution methods and the handling of improper integrals.

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Participants express differing views on the convergence of certain series and the evaluation of limits. While some agree on the convergence of the series for sin(x)/x, others question the interpretation of limits versus series convergence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise evaluation of integrals and the correctness of certain steps in the calculations.

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There are limitations in the clarity of some mathematical expressions, and assumptions regarding the convergence tests and integral evaluations are not fully resolved. The discussion includes potential errors in substitution and integration techniques.

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find the series for sin(x)/x. I believe this would just mean dividing the series representation of sin(x) by x, therefore sin(x)/x=1-x^2/3!+x^4/5!-x^6/7!...=sigma(x^2n/(2n+1)!)

how then would we find the radius of convergence and interval of convergence.


is the series n/sigma(1/k(k+2)) convergent or divergent. I believe the bottom is a telescoping series so it becomes 1/2 so then it becomes 2n and then lim(n-->infinity)=infinity and is therefire divergent. is this correct?
 
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find the series for sin(x)/x. I believe this would just mean dividing the series representation of sin(x) by x, therefore sin(x)/x=1-x^2/3!+x^4/5!-x^6/7!...=sigma(x^2n/(2n+1)!)

how then would we find the radius of convergence and interval of convergence.
Use the ratio test.

[tex]\lim _{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| \frac{x^{(2n+1)}/[2(n+1)+1]!}{x^{2n}/(2n+1)!} \right|[/tex]

[tex]= \lim _{n \rightarrow \infty} \left| \frac{x^2}{(2n + 3)(2n + 2)} \right|[/tex]

[tex]= 0[/tex]

Therefore, it converges for all [itex]x \in \mathbb {R}[/itex]; the radius of convergence, [itex]R = \infty[/itex] and the interval of convergence is [itex](-\infty , \infty )[/itex].

is the series n/sigma(1/k(k+2)) convergent or divergent. I believe the bottom is a telescoping series so it becomes 1/2 so then it becomes 2n and then lim(n-->infinity)=infinity and is therefire divergent. is this correct?
What exactly is the series?

[tex]\sum _{k = 1} ^{\infty} \frac{1}{k(k+2)}[/tex]

Is that it?

[tex]\forall k \in \mathbb {N} \ \ \ k(k + 2) > k^2[/tex]

[tex]\therefore \frac{1}{k(k+2)} < \frac{1}{k^2}[/tex]

By the p-series test (I believe that's what it's called), we know that [itex]\sum _{k=1} ^{\infty} \frac{1}{k^2}[/itex] converges, and by the comparison test, we can conclude that the sum we're considering must also converge.
 
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[tex]\displaystyle{\lim_{n\to\infty}\frac{n}{\sum_{k=1}^n\frac{1}{k(k+2)}}}[/tex]
 
Okay, that's write, but it's not a series. It's just a limit, so you'd ask not whether it converges or diverges (I believe that applies to squences and series, and not to limits) but whethere or not it exists. As was shown, the series converges (assuming I didn't mess up anywhere), and I'll take your word that it converges to 1/2. Based on this, you're of course correct that:

[tex]\displaystyle{\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\frac{n}{\sum_{k=1} ^n\frac{1}{k(k+2)}}} = \infty[/tex]

I.e. the limit does not exist.

EDIT: Notice, the answer to your first question should also be obvious because you know the function sin(x)/x has a finite value for all [itex]x \neq 0[/itex], so it obviously converges for those x, and approaches 1 as a limit as x approaches 0, so the series should converge there as well, I'm pretty sure.
 
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Thank You AKG, I need help with the following problem if you care to assist.


the integral of 2 sin(lnx)+ 1/x. u=ln(x). du=1/x so 2sin(u)+du=-2cos(u)+u=-2cos(lnx)+ln(x)

also the integral(from pi/2 to 0) of sinx+tanx.
I get this is really sin(x)+sin(x)/cos(x). so u=cos(x). du=-sinx dx so -du/u-du=-ln(cosx)-cos(x)?

but how do i evaulauate it at pi/2. thank you
 
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Thank You AKG, I need help with the following problem if you care to assist.


the integral of 2 sin(lnx)+ 1/x. u=ln(x). du=1/x so 2sin(u)+du=-2cos(u)+u=-2cos(lnx)+ln(x)
Something's seriously wrong here. It would help if you used the LaTeX so I knew for sure what you meant, but I can certainly see a problem in "du = 1/x". If u = ln(x), then du = xdx. This should give you:

[tex]\int [2e^u \sin (u) + 1] du = 2 \int e^u \sin (u) du + u[/tex]

Now, solve the integral:

[tex]I = \int e^u \sin (u) du[/tex]

You'll find that you need to use integration by parts twice, and find that you'll have to subsitute an integral somewhere fore "I", then isolate "I" and divide by 2 I would assume (you'll figure it out when you do it) and solve for "I."

also the integral(from pi/2 to 0) of sinx+tanx.
I get this is really sin(x)+sin(x)/cos(x). so u=cos(x). du=-sinx dx so -du/u-du=-ln(cosx)-cos(x)?

but how do i evaulauate it at pi/2. thank you
You're dealing with improper integrals. If you look at the graph of sin(x) + tan(x), or just tan(x) alone for that matter at [itex]\pi /2[/itex], you'll notice it's undefined. So, approach the problem as though you're solving for the definite integral from a to 0 as a approaches [itex]\pi /2[/itex]. I would solve the integral by separating the sin(x) and tan(x). The antiderivative of sin(x) is cos(x), and the antiderivative of tan(x) is ln|sec(x)|. You'll probably memorize that eventually, but if you don't, you can figure it out yourself:

[tex]\int \tan (x) dx[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{\sin (x)}{\cos (x)} dx[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{u}{{\cos}^2 (x)} du[/tex]

[tex]= \int \frac{u}{1 - u^2} du[/tex]

[tex]= - \frac{1}{2} \int \frac{1}{v} dv[/tex]

[tex]= - \frac{1}{2} \ln |v| + C[/tex]

[tex]= \ln \frac{1}{\sqrt{|v|}} + C[/tex]

[tex]= \ln \frac{1}{\sqrt{|1 - u^2|}} + C[/tex]

[tex]= \ln \frac{1}{\sqrt{|{\cos}^2 (x)|}} + C[/tex]

[tex]= \ln |\sec (x)| + C[/tex]
 

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