Is the Universe Bound by the Laws of Conservation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the implications of the laws of conservation of energy, mass, and momentum in relation to the universe's structure and fate. Participants explore whether the universe is subject to these conservation laws, particularly in the context of light emitted by stars and the potential for energy loss if the universe is finite.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the universe, being finite, must eventually lose energy as light emitted by stars escapes, leading to a potential end of the universe.
  • Another participant argues that energy is not lost when light is emitted, as it continues to exist as photons traveling through the universe, suggesting that energy is conserved overall.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that light does not necessarily leave the universe even if it is finite, proposing that the universe's boundaries are defined by the farthest components, including emitted photons.
  • Some participants propose the idea that a finite universe could have no boundaries, likening it to the surface of a sphere, which is finite yet boundaryless.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether energy is lost from the universe and the implications of a finite universe. There is no consensus on the nature of the universe's boundaries or the fate of energy within it.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of a finite universe on energy conservation, and assumptions about the universe's structure and boundaries remain unexamined.

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I am wonderring is there a known solution to the problem that all the light emitted by the stars must come out of the universe (if it is finite). All the energie is then lost and if the universe loses energie, it loses mass hence is bound to disappear someday... *if there will be an end, there was a begining*

In other words is the universe subject to the laws of conservation of energie, mass and even momentum? Is there a shape or any property of the universe that eliminates this problem of energie loss?
 
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Why do you say the energy 'was lost' when light is emitted by the stars - it isn't, it just travels through the Universe as Photons of light.

Energy is conserved in the Universe as a whole, yes. Don't forget, Energy and mass can be seen as the same thing (E=mc^2), and changing mass to energy does not therefore break conservation laws.

The latest evidence for the future of the Universe is continual expansion for infinite time.
 
I think the biggest problem with your question is in understanding the concept that the light does not have to leave the universe just because the universe is finite. If the universe is finite, its boundaries are defined by how far its farthest component has traveled, and this includes the photons emitted by Stars.
 
It is quite possible for the universe to be finite and still have no boundaries in the same way the surface of a sphere is finite but has no boundaries.
 

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