Thread Closed

Dynamics - pendulum hanging on a cord, determine T in cord

 
Share Thread Thread Tools
May12-09, 12:43 PM   #1
 

Dynamics - pendulum hanging on a cord, determine T in cord


1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
A pendulum of mass m and length L is released
from rest at an angle Ф to the vertical. There is no
friction and g = 9.81 m/s2.

Determine the normal force in the cord when Ф =
0°.

http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pend.jpg

Note that phi is giving in degrees.

2. The attempt at a solution
Decomposing in the radial direction, and taking T as the tension in the cord:
[tex]\sum F_{r} = m*a_{r} = - T + mgcos\Phi = m(-L\omega[/tex]²) (1)

Decomposing in transverse direction:
[tex]\sum F_{\theta} = m*a_{\theta} = mgsin\Phi = m(L\alpha)[/tex]

[tex]\alpha = d\omega/d\Phi * d\Phi/dt = d\omega/d\Phi * \omega [/tex]

So:
[tex]mgsin\Phi = m(L(d\omega/d\Phi)\omega)[/tex]

[tex]sin\Phi d\Phi = (L/g) \omega d\omega[/tex]

When the angle is phi, the angular velocity is 0. When the angle is 0, the angular velocity is omega.
[tex](L/g) \int^{\omega}_{0}\omega d\omega = \int^{0}_{\Phi} sin\Phi d\Phi[/tex]

[tex]\omega^{2} = -2(g/L)(1 - cos \Phi)[/tex]

So I end up with a negative term for my angular velocity square. So I can't calculate my angular velocity. Even if I use this omega square and stick it into (1), the resulting equation for T is wrong.

This was easily solvable with the principle of work and energy, however this method specifically is required.

Can someone give me a headsup of where I've gone wrong? Thanks!
PhysOrg.com
PhysOrg
science news on PhysOrg.com

>> Ants and carnivorous plants conspire for mutualistic feeding
>> Forecast for Titan: Wild weather could be ahead
>> Researchers stitch defects into the world's thinnest semiconductor
May12-09, 02:17 PM   #2
 
I think the problem is a simple sign one.

Your equation for Sum of F_Theta has mg*sinPHI = mL*ALPHA. But if you're measuring PHI from the downward-vertical, this equation is false. It should read:

-mg*sinPHI = mL*ALPHA.

The reason? Well, for PHI > 0, the pendulum is to the right of the lower diagonal, sinPHI is positive, but the pendulum bob will have negative acceleration.

This resolves the problem and will yield the same answer as the energy method for OMEGA^2: 2m/L (1 - cos phi).

Yeah, just a sign thing.
May12-09, 02:29 PM   #3
 
edit: Oops ignore previous question, I understand it now. Thanks a lot for your help!
Thread Closed
Thread Tools


Similar Threads for: Dynamics - pendulum hanging on a cord, determine T in cord
Thread Forum Replies
Hydrostatics/Equilibrium: An object hanging by a light cord in a bucket of water Introductory Physics Homework 1
PE of a hanging cord Introductory Physics Homework 3
[SOLVED] Transverse Wave on a Hanging Cord Introductory Physics Homework 4
Tension in a Pendulum Problem - 30kg, 4m cord, 4m/s @ bottom Introductory Physics Homework 11
placenta & cord Biology 3