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Old May28-09, 12:25 PM                  #1
S_David

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PDF and CDF manipulation

Hello,
I have this equation:

LaTeX Code: \\int_{-\\infty}^{\\gamma}f_X(x)\\,dx+\\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}F  _Y(x-\\gamma)\\,f_X(x)\\,dx

where LaTeX Code: f_X(x) and LaTeX Code: F_Y(y) are the PDF and CDF of the randome variables X and Y, respectively.

Now the question is: can I write the above equation in the form:

LaTeX Code: 1-\\int_{0}^{\\infty}(...)

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Old May28-09, 02:48 PM                  #2
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Try starting with

LaTeX Code: <BR>\\int_{-\\infty}^\\gamma f_X(x) \\, dx = \\int_{-\\infy}^\\infty f_X (x) \\, dx - \\infty_\\gamma^\\infty f_X(x) \\, dx = 1 - \\infty_\\gamma^\\infty f_X(x) \\, dx <BR>
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Old May28-09, 03:17 PM                  #3
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

What statdad meant to say was: Try starting with

LaTeX Code: \\int_{-\\infty}^{\\gamma} f_X(x)\\,dx =<BR>\\int_{-\\infty}^{\\infty} f_X(x)\\,dx \\;- \\,\\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}f_X(x\\,)dx =<BR>1 \\,- \\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}f_X(x)dx
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Old May28-09, 03:42 PM                  #4
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by D H View Post
What statdad meant to say was: Try starting with

LaTeX Code: \\int_{-\\infty}^{\\gamma} f_X(x)\\,dx =<BR>\\int_{-\\infty}^{\\infty} f_X(x)\\,dx \\;- \\,\\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}f_X(x\\,)dx =<BR>1 \\,- \\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}f_X(x)dx
Yes indeed, but statdad, in his advanced age, was interrupted by some annoying folks at the door and neglected to fix his post. Thanks.
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Old May28-09, 03:52 PM                  #5
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by D H View Post
What statdad meant to say was: Try starting with

LaTeX Code: \\int_{-\\infty}^{\\gamma} f_X(x)\\,dx =<BR>\\int_{-\\infty}^{\\infty} f_X(x)\\,dx \\;- \\,\\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}f_X(x\\,)dx =<BR>1 \\,- \\int_{\\gamma}^{\\infty}f_X(x)dx
Yes, but I want the whole right side be one minus single integral. Is this still doable in some how?
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Old May28-09, 03:56 PM                  #6
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Yes: you can write

LaTeX Code: <BR>1 - \\int_\\gamma^\\infty \\left(f_X(x) - F_Y(x-\\gamma)f_X(x)\\right) \\, dx<BR>

You should be able to take this and write it as

LaTeX Code: <BR>1 - \\int_0^\\infty ( \\cdots ) \\, dx<BR>

just play around with the integrand.
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Old May28-09, 05:47 PM                  #7
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by statdad View Post
Yes: you can write

LaTeX Code: <BR>1 - \\int_\\gamma^\\infty \\left(f_X(x) - F_Y(x-\\gamma)f_X(x)\\right) \\, dx<BR>

You should be able to take this and write it as

LaTeX Code: <BR>1 - \\int_0^\\infty ( \\cdots ) \\, dx<BR>

just play around with the integrand.
Thank you, but this form is not the one in my mind. I need, if possible, in some how, to eliminate the first term, so that the equation looks like:

LaTeX Code: 1-\\int_0^{\\infty}F_Y(a)\\,f_X(a+\\gamma)\\,da

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Old May28-09, 06:07 PM                  #8
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Look at the integrand in

LaTeX Code: <BR>\\int_\\gamma^\\infty \\left(f_X(x) - F_Y(x-\\gamma)f_X(x)\\right) \\, dx<BR>

You should see a very simple way to factor it and then rewrite it in a form more suitable to your desires for this problem.

Try it - do some work - then post again.
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Old May28-09, 06:19 PM                  #9
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by statdad View Post
Look at the integrand in

LaTeX Code: <BR>\\int_\\gamma^\\infty \\left(f_X(x) - F_Y(x-\\gamma)f_X(x)\\right) \\, dx<BR>

You should see a very simple way to factor it and then rewrite it in a form more suitable to your desires for this problem.

Try it - do some work - then post again.
I can't see anything that I can do.
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Old May28-09, 07:25 PM                  #10
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Look a little harder. I won't give away the answer.
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Old May29-09, 08:10 AM                  #11
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by statdad View Post
Look a little harder. I won't give away the answer.
Just give me a hint, I am not strong in probability.
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Old May29-09, 08:13 AM                  #12
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by saeddawoud View Post
Just give me a hint, I am not strong in probability.
Work with the integrand.
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Old May29-09, 07:52 PM                  #13
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Re: PDF and CDF manipulation

Originally Posted by statdad View Post
Work with the integrand.
Are you sure that, we can write LaTeX Code: \\int_\\gamma^\\infty \\left(f_X(x) - F_Y(x-\\gamma)f_X(x)\\right) \\, dx as LaTeX Code: \\int_0^{\\infty}F_Y(a)\\,f_X(a+\\gamma)\\,da ?
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