What is Aeroelasticity? Is it one of the branches of Aerodynamics?

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The discussion centers on the concept of aeroelasticity and its relationship to aerodynamics. Participants explore the definition of aeroelasticity, its implications in aerospace structures, and specific phenomena such as wing flutter and its historical context in aviation incidents.

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  • Some participants define aeroelasticity as the study of bending and vibrations in aerospace structures, particularly wings.
  • There are mentions of specific phenomena related to aeroelasticity, such as wing flutter, wing divergence, and panel flutter.
  • A historical reference is made to the Lockheed Electra airplane crashes, suggesting that flutter was a probable cause linked to the design and wear of engine mounts.
  • One participant clarifies that engine mounts do not flutter but vibrate, emphasizing the distinction between flutter as an aerodynamic phenomenon and vibrations produced by engines.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of propeller whirl flutter, describing it as a wobbling motion of the propeller about its axis, which can occur when engine mounts become loose.
  • There is a question about whether the discussed incidents are considered classic examples in aerospace engineering classes, with mixed familiarity among participants regarding the topic.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the examples and concepts discussed, indicating that there is no clear consensus on the classification of the incidents or the educational significance of the examples provided.

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Some statements reflect ambiguity regarding the definitions and distinctions between flutter and vibration, as well as the historical context of the incidents mentioned. The discussion does not resolve these ambiguities.

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What is Aeroelasticity? Is it one of the branches of Aerodynamics? :surprise:
 
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It is the study of bending and vibrations in aerospace structures such as wings.

Wing flutter, wing divergence (shearing off), panel flutter, etc.
 
Speaking of flutter, there was a video aired recently on History Channel, that demonstrated how flutter was the probable cause for two Lockheed Electra airplane crashes in 1959-60. They used 4 prop engines

A NASA team analyzed the design and came to the conclusion that with wear, the propeller engine mounts became too loose and fluttered. That in itself did not cause the failure. However the flutter was at a harmonic of the wing's resonant frequency, stressing the wing to catastrophic failure and break off.

http://oea.larc.nasa.gov/PAIS/Partners/P_3.html
 
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To be technical, the engine mounts don't flutter. They vibrate. Flutter is an aerodynamic excitation phenomena. One of the main things an engine mount has to do is effectively dampen any engine produced vibrations, whether they be mechanical or aerodynamic in nature.
 
Please forgive my ambiguity, I didn't mean the mounts fluttered.
When the engine mounts loosened, the propeller exhibited flutter. I see some refer to it as propeller whirl flutter. On the documentary, they indicated the propeller wobbled about its axis (analagous to wobble of our planetary poles)

Fred is this a classic example in aerospace engr classes?
 
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Please forgive my ambiguity, I didn't mean the mounts fluttered.
When the engine mounts loosened, the propeller exhibited flutter. I see some refer to it as propeller whirl flutter. On the documentary, they indicated the propeller wobbled about its axis (analagous to wobble of our planetary poles)

Fred is this a classic example in aerospace engr classes?
I really don't know about that being a classic. I was an ME playing an AE. I have never heard that example until you presented it here. It was a bit surprising because my brother used to be a crew member on P-3's. The way I am most familiar with flutter is the testing we have to do on our engines prior to any airframe being given FAA cert. That scenario is a concern , but mostly our engines are not wing mounted.

That was a cool ariticle. I have always liked reading reports like that to see results of investigations. Good find.
 

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