Aerodynamic drag on a car and recovering some of that energy using a fan

In summary, the OP thinks that driving at 130-140 km/h a car could dissipate 5-10 kW of energy only because of aerodynamic drag. This is not the case, as adding a turbine to extract energy from the airstream only adds drag. Therefore, it is more efficient to plug your load directly on the battery, rather than try to exploit the aerodynamic drag with a fan.
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I think that driving at 130-140 km/h a car could dissipate 5-10 kW of energy only because of aerodynamic drag.
Why cars don't have a fan somewhere to exploit the aerodynamic drag?

For example a Pelton turbine
 
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Because that fan will increase the drag resistance to the forward movement of the car, generating less energy in return than the amount absorbed.
We have to burn fuel to maintain a forward force that overcomes the resistive force of drag, which increases with the square of the relative speed between car and air steam.

During the times the car is desired to slowdown from high speeds, yes, anything that recovers energy, like some regenerative brakes of electric cars, would save fuel.
Nevertheless, the gain is always in competition with the cost and extra weight of any recovering system.
 
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The 5-10 kW of energy comes from the power source of the vehicle ... plus the inefficiencies of the powertrain. So assuming you have battery-powered car, it would be more efficient to plug your load directly on the battery, rather than:
  1. putting a turbine in front of the car to power that load (that would increase the drag power proportionally to its power output + inefficiencies);
  2. that extra power would be delivered by the powertrain (+ inefficiencies);
  3. ... to finally have the power coming from the battery anyway!
One exception is the use of ram-air intake systems. The reason is that you can achieve a compression without the use of a compressor. You still have an increase in drag, but you save on weight, complexity and cost. There is probably no efficiency gain by using the most efficient compressor you can find either.
 
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Andrea Vironda said:
I think that driving at 130-140 km/h a car could dissipate 5-10 kW of energy only because of aerodynamic drag.
Even if it could work, what percentage of the time does a vehicle travel at or over 130 km/h ? Is it worth carrying weight and complexity when it is used for so little time? You have plenty of time to think about that next time you are driving up a hill, or sitting in a traffic jam.
 
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What @Lnewqban and @jack action said, but in my words: If car designers could eliminate aerodynamic drag, they would. Adding a turbine to extract energy from the airstream only adds drag. And it adds more drag than the energy produced by the turbine. There is no way around this.

It is possible, however, to reduce the drag of a motor vehicle. Since the OP is interested, and has a master's degree in mechanical engineering, I suggest the following reading:

1) Aerodynamics of Road Vehicles, by Wolf-Heinrich Hucho.
2) Fluid-Dynamic Drag, by Sighard F. Hoerner.
3) Modifying the Aerodynamics of Your Road Car, by Julian Edgar.

The first two are well known classics, the third is recommended as being very good. A course in fluid dynamics is highly recommended to get the most out of the first two references, while a high school education should be enough for the third. Disclaimer: the Julian Edgar book has a couple pages about modifications to my truck.
 
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1. How does aerodynamic drag affect a car's performance?

Aerodynamic drag is the force that opposes the motion of a car as it moves through the air. This force increases as the car's speed increases, causing a decrease in fuel efficiency and overall performance.

2. How can a fan help recover some of the energy lost due to aerodynamic drag?

A fan can be strategically placed on a car to create a suction effect, reducing the air pressure behind the car and minimizing the drag force. This allows the car to move through the air more efficiently and recover some of the energy that would have been lost.

3. Is using a fan to recover energy from aerodynamic drag a common practice in the automotive industry?

While it is not a widely used practice, some car manufacturers have implemented fans in their designs to improve aerodynamic efficiency and increase fuel efficiency. However, the effectiveness of this method may vary depending on the specific design and driving conditions.

4. Are there any potential drawbacks to using a fan for energy recovery in a car?

One potential drawback is the added weight and complexity of the fan system, which can increase production costs and maintenance requirements. Additionally, the effectiveness of the fan may be limited in certain driving conditions, such as strong crosswinds or steep inclines.

5. Can a fan be used to completely eliminate aerodynamic drag on a car?

While a fan can help reduce the effects of aerodynamic drag, it cannot completely eliminate it. The shape and design of the car also play a significant role in minimizing drag, and a fan may not be able to compensate for poor aerodynamic design. Additionally, other factors such as tire resistance and mechanical friction also contribute to the overall drag force on a car.

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