Why do different instruments measure the potential of a wire differently?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of electrical potential in wires, specifically addressing why different instruments may yield varying results. It touches on concepts related to resistance, signal degradation, and the impact of current on voltage measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that all signals experience a reduction in power as they travel through a system, necessitating amplification at intervals.
  • Wires are acknowledged to have non-zero resistance, which contributes to energy dissipation in the form of heat.
  • One participant argues that while resistance affects voltage, current should remain constant throughout the wire.
  • It is proposed that the potential decreases along the length of a real wire due to its resistance, contrasting with ideal wires that have zero resistance.
  • Another participant suggests that the potential of a wire could be constant if no current is flowing, indicating that measurement discrepancies may arise from the type of instrument used.
  • It is mentioned that different measuring instruments, such as analog meters versus high impedance digital voltmeters, could yield different voltage readings depending on whether there is current draw.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the constancy of potential in wires, particularly in relation to current flow and the influence of measurement instruments. There is no consensus on the implications of resistance and the conditions under which potential measurements may vary.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the assumptions regarding the ideal versus real behavior of wires, nor does it clarify the conditions under which potential measurements are taken.

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From physics sheet - "all signals (digital a reduction in signal power) as they travel through a system and need amplification at certain intervals." Why is this the case?
 
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Wires have non-zero resistance.

- Warren
 
How do you mean? What effect that have - current should still be the same everywhere surely?
 
Resistance dissipates the energy originally provided in the form of heat therefore we need to periodically add more energy to the signal.
 
When people say 'signal' they usually mean 'voltage signal' -- i.e. the potential present on a wire. If you apply a battery (referenced to ground) to one end of a very long wire, and measure the potential on the other, you'll see that the potential decreases along the wire. Ideal wires have zero resistance, and thus the potential is the same everywhere along their length -- but real wires have small, but non-zero resistances. Thus, voltages at the far end of a wire get smaller as the wire length gets longer. There are a couple of solutions: use amplifiers, or use current signals instead. Current is the same everywhere in a wire, even though voltage is not. If you pump 10 mA of current into a wire at one end, you can rest assured 10 mA must be coming out the other end.

- Warren
 
Chroot,
Would not the POTENTIAL of the wire be constant, as long as there IS NO CURRENT. This would mean that the potential measurement would VARY with instrument used. If you measured the voltage with respect to ground of your long wire (any wire for that matter!) would get a different result if you used a cheap analog meter or a high impedance Digital Voltmeter. If you could measure the potential of the wire with no current draw you would measure source voltage at any point on the wire.
 

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